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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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ALLIES

!abolition@slrpnk.net

!acab@lemmygrad.ml

r/ACAB

r/BadCopNoDonut/

Randy Balko

The Civil Rights Lawyer

The Honest Courtesan

Identity Project

MirandaWarning.org

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

Black Lives Matter

Campaign Zero

Innocence Project

The Marshall Project

Movement Law Lab

NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration

 

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/58389486

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[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 16 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

ORGANIZE PROTEST STRIKES IN ALL WORKPLACES, JOIN YOUR WORK UNIONS!!! FIGHT THIS TERROR WITH UNITY!!! DEMAND THE IMMEDIATE RELEASE OF THE ARRESTED PEOPLE!!! DEMAND THE DISSOLUTION OF THE ICE AND THIS GOV !!!

STRIKE!!! STRIKE!!! STRIKE!!!
 Bring the entire economy of AMERICA to a standstill for one day:
 the shipyards, factories, workshops, offices and banks, municipal services, and public works!!

MAKE YOUR DEMANDS CLEAR EVERYWHERE: FORCE THE ICE SCUM OUT, IMPEACH TRUMP, PUT HIM IN JAIL, AND BREAK THE STRANGLEHOLD OF BILLIONAIRE (TECH) POWER OVER OUR GOV, TAX THE RICH, FAIR WAGES AND NATIONAL HEALTHCARE!!!

STAND UNITED!! BE COURAGEOUS!!
 FIGHT PROUDLY FOR THE LIBERATION OF OUR COUNTRY!!!
Friends: Pass this manifesto on after reading it.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 0 points 34 minutes ago

This won't even get 2% participation. Most people can't. Many agree with what ICE is doing. Unions are mostly government employees or government contracted in my area anyway. There are no unions for regular folks.

[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 37 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like he's threatening to murder her to me. That should be time behind bars.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 10 points 6 hours ago

Should, yes, but won't.... sadly.

[–] whitecollarcry@lemmy.world 14 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

Will there be learning when one of these dickheads has a bullet in their fucking head or gets disappeared? Do Republicans learn? Does ICE care or have compassion? These are the questions

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

No, just escalation. An ICE agent being shot is exactly what the Trump admin is after.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

"The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to" - Kevin Roberts president of the Heritage Foundation. That's what you're arguing for. They don't need a reason, they've already killed people without one.

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Set out your stall then. What are you arguing for and be specific.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I am arguing that the Trump administration doesn't need any excuses to escalate and destroy democracy, they are completely fine doing it either way. What the fascists have said previously is that the revolution will happen no matter what, it's just up to the left wether or not they actually have to fight for their fascist dictatorship. Not shooting the fascists in the face, is letting them do everything they want, with nothing more than a slightly inconvenient protest every 6 months in a few cities.

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago)

Were all in agreement that Trump admin will keep ramping the pressure. So what are you actually suggesting as a workable solution involving force? Get pulled over by ICE just start shooting?

[–] Koarnine@pawb.social 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

No, nonsense.

The trump admin wants to enact their plan. This bullshit about 'giving them a reason' is idiotic.

They are searching for and will find their own reasons, they're calling this innocent mother of three 'radicalised by the left'.

You are arguing for a lack of resistance.

You are right there will be escalation, but the escalation is coming regardless.

How many more innocent people have to be brutally murdered before enough is enough?

Or what do you suggest is done otherwise?

Personally I'm an advocate for burning their homes while they are out terrorising.

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I would argue that peaceful mass protest would be more effective. The problem you have is that you are just not getting the numbers out on the street to become ungovernable and topple the admin. A general strike would change things quickly.

You start burning down ICE agents homes and having running street battles, yes it will feel satisfying to take some of them out with you but you will ultimately be killed or arrested and the admin will have the imagery to get low info citizens to side with them not you.

I agree with you that they are going to keep pushing regardless, but the people against this need the best optics possible to get more people on their side. Vigilante killings are not going to be helpful and will just accelerate things. I would say it's worth keeping to the peaceful route out of this, as civil war is going to be a absolute bloodbath and your going to be up against the American military. Bad odds.

That being said, owning a weapon and knowing how to use it is not a bad idea if the worst comes to pass.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This line of reasoning is now solely an excuse for cowardice. Trump will escalate no matter what.

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Okay you have done the easy bit and called someone a coward.

What's your preferred plan to beat the Trump admin. Lets hear the exact details.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Find and join or create a local community based organization and talk to your friends, neighbors, coworkers, and family about the fascist threat. Spend your free time building a strong group that can unite with other strong groups when the time is right.

Political power is not something that can be given with a vote in this world, it must be taken by strength. And in the face of the strength of billionaires, our only chance is solidarity and the strength of a united resistance.

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago

So when time comes to take things by strength wha is that actually going to look like?

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

How long until the reprisal killings start?

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

Not sure but I hope cameras are rolling when the first one gets domed.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 13 points 14 hours ago

God damn Gestapo

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 37 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Less shouting, more shooting. There are only two good endings for cops - dead or resigned.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 22 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

We need a new version of the Black Panthers to remind them that guns are everywhere. Some sort of, I dunno, anti fascism coalition or something

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 13 points 14 hours ago

The Black Panthers still exist and are still recruiting.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

While the most popular remedy is purgatory (time off with full pay). I do draw the line between cops and ICE, even though there may be some overlap.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You are mistaken to draw that line. Cops support ICE. They are all on the same side.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You may be right but I see it more as an overlap than an all or nothing scenario.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It is all or nothing. I've been trying to drill this into the skulls of liberals and leftists for the better part of a decade and it's still barely getting through. There is a reason we say ACAB. ALL cops are bastards.

The police are our enemies. They protect and serve the ruling class. They will turn on us without hesitation. I am literally begging you to wake up and realize this basic truth.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Nope. Cannot buy into that "all or nothing" scenario at all. I do agree that rich people will hire dirty thugs to protect the things they own. I think the main issue is rich people running things, not communities. I agree with your basic truth about violence ruling the world, not democracy though.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 points 2 hours ago

I do agree that rich people will hire dirty thugs to protect the things they own.

They already did, they're called the police!

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[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 50 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I've learned that when Trump's goon squad murders citizens the only ones allowed to investigate it are Trump's police force, meaning that there will be no consequences forthcoming from the government, making the government illegitimate. That limits the public's recourse to vigilante justice and full scale rebellion if we want to be free

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Not true. That's not how jurisdiction works. They are lying.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 hours ago

Who is lying, the FBI is literally not letting state authorities investigate

[–] ReHomed@lemmy.cafe 32 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Violent rebellion is almost definitely the only way we escape from this hell

The right has made it extremely clear that they are not in it for actual civility, or creating a coherent society. The right are here because they want to torture and hurt others, they want to rape and murder and torment freely without punishment, because they're deranged, demented sadists.

You CANNOT civilize with that kind of person, no amount of talking is going to convince them to sit down and think about principle.

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[–] bluegreenpurplepink@lemmy.world 210 points 1 day ago (50 children)

How else do you interpret what he says other than that he's threatening to kill her, since that's what's been happening the last couple of days, one woman is dead and two people are injured. We all know about qualified immunity, but are police and ice agents actually allowed to threaten to murder people? Are there no exceptions to qualified immunity when it comes to threatening to kill people?

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[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 38 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I wouldn't vote to convict her if she'd killed him. Clearly would have been self-defense.

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 21 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

Anybody who shoots a Republican or ICE will always have me voting "Not Guilty" as it's a clear case of Self Defense to me. I will hang that jury til I'm removed or they vote my way.

And no I do not care in what circumstances a Republican's or ICE terrorist's life comes to end, even if that means they were sleeping in bed when their home or hotel burned down. Melt 'em.

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