THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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RULES
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② If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
③ Saying ~~cops~~ ANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They're about killing people; we're not.
④ Please don't dox or post calls for harassment, vigilantism, tar & feather attacks, etc.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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If an unidentified armed Nazi breaks my door down I am absolutely burying them six feet under.
Remember, if you want to go through body armor, you'll either have a hell of a time finding AP ammo, need to hand-load your own, or -- the economical, thinking man's choice -- have 12 gauge slugs*. Buckshot and regular FMJ will not cut it unless you're more confident in your shot placement under pressure than I am (in which case, aim for the face or the groin, but not center mass)
Personally, I think 00 and 000 buckshot would do fine. The spread may allow even an barely trained shooter to wing a limb or neck, which tend to be unarmored. You don't need a instantly fatal wound, just one that incapacitates.
The important thing is to have a shotgun that affords you the ability to fire two or three times on demand, just in case the other ICE decide to fight rather than fly.
If they are close enough to me to film as close as I've seen, I feel like they're close enough for face shots?
You might get the one in front of you but the ones behind them will light you up and not only kill you but everyone in the house because they will empty those AR mags. Being a MP in the Army I trained urban warfare a lot and these guys most likely have only trained once. They will freak out and just hose the whole house with no regard for children or anyone else. This is being done to get a response so elections can be postponed. I don't know the answer anymore.
If something doesn't happen before the elections, something will be orchestrated.
I do not doubt that at all.
True but I think that ICE will stop going into houses very quickly if a few point guys get smoked. They're willing to kill but are they willing to die? I don't think they are.
Fuck direct confrontations. These small-dick losers are babies with axes to grind. If we can learn the intended target, boobytrap that shit. Do some Home Alone shit, for real. Cover them in Nickelodeon slime and feathers. Better yet, borrow a page from Mark Robert and make sure they can never use their equipment without sparkling like the special little boys they are when you unload glitter bombs all over them.
Perhaps, perhaps they will fucking bomb them instead, or simply find more meatheads, some arrogant enough to attack anyways.
An organized effort by the state will not be stopped by random acts of heroism. There must some kind of organized resistance. Perhaps actions that would be classified as terrorism and I 'd rather not get more into it or I 'll probably get banned from .world.
Everything is better when you do it with friends.
Are you willing to get you and your family killed? What you are asking is for one family to sacrifice for us to make ICE scared. I don't think anyone wants their family to get smoked.
Calm down. I live by myself and have no kids and no one is asking you to make your 10-year old hide in a corner with a rifle pointed a door.
ICE running into another Micah Xavier Johnson is matter of when not if.
While getting fired upon in return (which you presumably will be, immediately, if you're telling them to fuck off or be shot and they're not fucking off)?
Heads are small targets and hard to hit if they're moving, and they move a lot even when the body they're attached to is not actively trying to dodge gunfire. If you want to take out more than just the one you surprise, I would strongly recommend something that can punch holes in body armor -- if you're gonna go down this route, go down with >1 KDR.
If they are close enough to shoot you in the face three times, they are close enough to be shot in the face three times.
How? They barely understand how to stack/clear a room, but also have way more personnel to cover fire as well as what looks like at least level 3a armor.
Not sure if listing the exact details are allowed for this community, but for starters, it is far easier to acquire explosive or lethally dangerous chemical compounds that do not give a shit about level IIIa plates or soft armor, especially with enough fragmentation or corrosion. It is also relatively simple to create an electronic or fuse system for both methods, or to use an "Semi-autonomous/RC delivery system" to avoid personal bodily harm, as a civilian with minimal barriers or oversight.
Additionally, a neighborhood whose residents trust one another and are willing to come to action are a significant barrier to any individual person being raided - difficult to stack all angles with one team if nobody on the block is going to be a bystander.
But I think that is the problem. Are you the people on you block willing to defend you and yours? Are you willing to defend them when they are being raided? These are hard questions people need to ask themselves. Think about how this shit went down in Germany in the 30s.
Right? We can seemingly barely scrape together communities to merely watch and report on ice movements, much less gather enough who are willing to throw away their lives by shooting at them.
Imagine even getting people to get rid of the automatic devices that track you everywhere in your neighborhood (ring cameras, helloooo, and now the flock cameras and similar license plate readers that the government has had everywhere for years before that).
That is indeed variable, I'll concede that. The initiative for communities to band together has to start before effective deterrence is established.
However, you are not out of options when forced to confront armored agents with just your family or on your lonesome. That's what I'm trying to underscore, so individuals can become crafty and observant, rather than just embracing despair.
Sure if it's one or two but you can't fight 10 of them like in this video. Though my bet would be that these little bitches would scram immediatly when fought back.
You only need to get one of them. We out number ICE. Don't delete my comment. I'm not advocating for violence, I'm just pointing out the K/D ratio needed to put a stop to this particular flavor of fasch.
I don't need to win, just need to loose fast enough to avoid a fate worse than death.