THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
♦ ♦ ♦
Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
♦ ♦ ♦
RULES
① Real-life decorum is expected. Please don't say things only a child or a jackass would say in person.
② If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
③ Saying ~~cops~~ ANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They're about killing people; we're not.
④ Please don't dox or post calls for harassment, vigilantism, tar & feather attacks, etc.
Please also abide by the instance rules.
It you've been banned but don't know why, check the moderator's log. If you feel you didn't deserve it, hey, I'm new at this and maybe you're right. Send a cordial PM, for a second chance.
♦ ♦ ♦
ALLIES
• r/ACAB
♦ ♦ ♦
INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
♦ ♦ ♦
ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
view the rest of the comments
They're waiting for exactly that sort of provocation because they clearly want to ratchet the tensions upward. This shit will not simmer down because someone played hero.
They don't need a reason for anything. Have you not been paying attention?
It won’t simmer down if someone doesn’t play hero either.
They are entering people's homes without a warrant. The time for simmering down is over.
Yeah I can't expect anything to simmer down at this point, and I'm not suggesting any hinky dinky conciliatories, just dont do anything fucking stupid, like dive bombing the fascists with a fucking DJI drone
You're absolutely right. Shooting them from rooftops is far more appropriate at this point. Harassing them is not sufficient.
They are famously not waiting for any provocation, people are already getting disappeared and murdered in public. I'm not advocating for lone wolf type attacks, but people absolutely must assemble in groups and arm themselves, black panther style as is happening in Philadelphia
Wait, so they are forming groups in Philly?
Sorry for the MSN link lmao but it's the only link I found on duckduckgo, I saw the news on some other outlet but I couldn't find it
As Minneapolis shooting stirs fears of state violence, several Black Panther Party members made their presence known in Philly
Mutual aid through free food programs, loudly criticising ICE and exercising their legal right to carry firearms. They sound unfathomably based to me (I'm not even from the US, I'm a Spaniard)
That is more... Sane. Somehow. More sane than imagining you're a Ukrainian freedom fighter with the drones you bought online and bolted on a middle school volcano experiment.
I would bet you could find some chemicals besides baking soda and vinegar that would be extremely effective.
Realistically they cant do jack shit against a kamikaze drone. No face no case
Yeah but the goal is use violence against ICE as an excuse to escalate, cancel elections, suspend/withdraw/ignore more rights and protections, call in the national guard and declare martial law.
They are already doing most all of those things.
If that was the case they could just fly a drone of their own into themselves with the same effect, but so far that hasn't happened.
I don't think it's very likely that anyone is going to get drone bombed really, and just ICE being targeted by acts of violence isn't the thing that'll kick this off, it'll be protests against ICE escalating to the point where they're "riots" that get "out of control" to manufacture consent to crack down on the protests.
Well, how hard you willing to go? You got 100k more? Dont answer that. It's not enough. You will need to darken the sky for a long time and you will question your own humanity at the end of it.
lol at this defeatist bullshit.
It doesnt need to be 100k, there are plenty of capable people with a drone each.
One time each is enough until others see how easy it is.
They could always stage provocation if needed. Question is how to resist this. If it's war, FPVs are the best answer.
What's a FPV?
"First Person View" drone flown via goggles/cameras. They're referencing the tactics used in the Ukraine/Russia war.