MeanwhileOnGrad
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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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Tankies can explain their views, but may be criticised or challenged for them. Any minor infraction of the rules may result in a warning and possibly a temporary ban.
You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically last only 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction doubles the duration. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.
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All because we don't let them do as they like. Feddit is welcome to everybody who sticks to the rules. And the rules make it automatically difficult for people who follow hateful ideologies. I try my best to be fair to our community. Meanwhile certain dbzer0 users want us to ban people for simply believing Israel should exist, even if they are opposed to Netanyahu's regime and want settlers out of the West Bank.
It's telling that they ban you without allowing you to explain yourself. Ultimately, dbzer0 has a severe antisemitism problem, and I think we're seeing some of their users realise that.
(not so subtle reminder that dbzer0 users are allowed to post in this community, as is everyone)
I explained myself on YPTB and to some dbzer0 users who were visiting here on alt accounts and they ignored 90% of it or weren't interested in my reasons.
that's been my experience with them. they don't tend to argue in good faith.
Way to tell on themselves. Imagine turning your need for calls to violence into a make or break issue for your entire instance? lol, lmao even.
If you look through the thread the admins use examples of troll comments calling for violence and threatening other users as evidence of censorship and zionism.
in the comment i posted in this sub they were called out
It's also funny because some of the comments they cite as having been removed by the "Zionist" mods are literally just "Go fuck yourself you piece of trash!" followed by the actual argument. What do you think, were they banned for the first or the second half of their comment? Nuance seems to be completely dead on this instance, which is saddening to see because I greatly value the contributions of @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com. Seems like i's a personal vendetta from one of the admins.
Unruffled and draconic NEO are the main drivers in the thread.
Two of the absolute worst posters on the Fediverse.
aw Draconic doesn't seem that bad. what makes them one of the worst?
I have either blocked or avoided them successfully on the multiple accounts I have had over time while trying out different instances that my recollection is vague and I do not have examples. For me to dislike someone that much they have to be a hypocrite who abuses their power against multiple users other than myself, does not argue in good faith, and responds to people with what they assume they meant instead of what was said. Unruffled is right there too, baiting people into responding and then banning people for 'not letting things go' because they need to get the last word in.
db0 seems to comes across to me as misguided, Unruffled and Draconic_NEO come across as malicious and petty.
I agree with you on unruffled, any sort of peaceful resolution, or even mutual discussion with them is impossible. They're insanely combative and vindictive. My experiences with db0 have been largely positive, though.
I suppose there was this time when I asked Draconic to edit a comment (you can see it in mod-log,) since it was too close to being antisemitic, and instead of editing it, they posted my mod decision to YPTB. Surprisingly, the community there questioned them rather than blindly attacking me.
i'd love a neutral place for people to discuss their issues and come to a consensus instead of flinging shit between spaces. you can't post in dbzer0 since you're banned, so they can say whatever they want about you.
i'm unsure if you've banned any of them.
Actually, I was only banned from YPTB and Lefty Memes. I can still post on dbzer0.
oh, is there a reason why you're not contesting in the thread? not worth the drama?
I am being the better person. Why do I have to explain myself when they don't listen anyways? Aside from that, why should I pour fuel in the flames?
It is not like me to be childish like that.
i wish i had your restraint.
it's important to note that the admins on dbzer0 act independently of each other. they don't communicate or plan every single post, which sometimes leads to them publicly arguing about admin decisions, which is delightfully refreshing and transparent. I really like it.
but i wouldn't hold any of the admins aside from unruffled for this post.
I would. I'm not sure how dbzer0's governance works/is supposed to work because I, quite frankly, don't care, but the other admins tolerate unruffled's behaviour. They made them an admin and they're choosing to keep them around. They might not be directly responsible for unruffled's actions but they're enabling them.
dbzer0 is an anarchist instance. db0 is the person.
Anarchists don't believe in hierarchy, so all admins act largely independently from one another. i've spoken to db0 before about how hierarchies work in an anarchist online forum, but didn't really dive deep enough to fully comprehend how it works. either way, db0 did say that the userbase can oust an admin if they are no longer happy with how they act. They don't always tolerate unruffled's behaviour and there have been some cases of back and forths between admins in the modlog where they unban and reban and unban and repeat
perhaps you can ask them about it in a good-faith approach?
Edited.
ETA - Also, when I said I don't care, I meant it. I don't judge people's actions by their ideals and intentions, I judge by the outcomes. And the outcome is, well, this.