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I'm pretty sure some of the most popular communities on db0 use GenAI art for banner and icon - checking now, the banner art for piracy, ADHD memes, anarchism, yepowertrippingbastards appear to be GenAI (admittedly fewer than I expected), and the icon for the instance itself is suspicious.
Unfortunately though, that's also not a problem exclusive to db0, and with the nature of federation it's kinda inescapable when most people don't care, unless I want to lock myself to niche communities.
I will also note, I believe db0 is hosting or participating in some kind of distributed GenAI network called The Horde, so it's not just individual community members' opinions, it's an organizational endorsement of GenAI.
https://aihorde.net/
Yep, so its a bunch of volunteers, running their own local hardware, but also linking it together, to provide a kind of mutual usage network for generating images.
And yep, db0 themself is pretty involved in this.
EDIT: (As best as I can tell, I've not like, talked to them about it myself, or been involved in those comms.)
... but you can't singly host a distributed network.
You can participate in it, architect it, but... the whole concept is that it is distributed, localized.
You know, like Lemmy, as opposed to Reddit or BlueSky, which are centralized.
So... this is what I met by more nuanced stances on LLMs/Neuralnet image generation.
More or less, this is like the rules that govern something like a private torrent tracker and network, but applied to GenAI.
So its an alternative way of providing distributed GenAI capabilities to those who contribute to other people also being able to have those capabilities.
As opposed to the essentially totally black box governance model of a random person getting an API token for a corporate AI network, that has massive negative externalities in that those are run on giant server farms that do things like massively run up local/regional power and water usage/costs, where you can safely presume the corpo networks are entirely harvesting all the data you send in to them.
You can be I guess 100% against the entire concept of GenAI, but see my previous point of it's Pandora's Box, you can't uninvent it, its not going to go away because you don't like it and think its bad.
... and to be clear, there are a plethora of valid reasons to be critical of it, legitimate problems.
But, a more practical and effectice way to address those things is to attempt to provide an alternate, more equitable, more transparent paradigm for its use.
Yeah, the issue is that I simply disagree, and consider the usage of models trained on data obtained without permission to be immoral, and thus unless the model is trained entirely on data supplied with consent (which is supposedly implausible), and thus people facilitating and/or promoting the usage of such to be... ethically unaligned me, and thus I don't want to associate with them
All that said, I also don't want to argue or try to convince you here, and want to thank you for being civil in the discussion
Absolutely fair!
Yes, we certainly can stop and not go into this any further.
Thank you as well for being polite and civil!
EDIT: One thing that we do have on db0 the instance is a kind of 'disengage' concept, more or less a kind of 'safe word' for just saying, hey, i dont wanna talk about this anymore, please stop, and i'll stop as well.