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They are not in conflict, because the onus is on the parents to set up a child's account. So if the parent did their job, then the child can never click "I am over 21" because at the OS level it's blocked. They would need their parent to bypass that again. For adults, on your device, you simply never set up a child's account, and you don't need to worry about it. So yes, I consider that closed. A child loses the ability to click "I'm over 21". Adults if anything hopefully don't have to click that anymore, but I'm guessing for safety they'll still force us to tick the box.
So far this isn't for the web at all, but I see this as clearing up the grey areas. Maybe they don't care, maybe they do. Maybe it puts more power on the browser to help stop it. If a website or app does not listen to it there are consequences for it, but seeing how it's quite literally a boolean check it sounds pretty easy to be in compliance. That's the monetary damages we saw above.
I don't know man, I see this, which is a simple thing a parent can set on an account: are they a child or not. Or, the alternative, which is everyone has to upload their government ID to some third party site, have it stored for all of eternity, and collated and collected, just so they can access discord, or social media, or whatever. The thing is that I do not believe there exists governments right now who are willing to let any of it slide anymore, they are demanding that something be done. Nothing is no longer an option. If we have to choose one of the options, (and by not choosing it means they will choose for you), this seems like the safest most privacy focused option.
We will never agree on this since your whole premise is built on a lie.
You are claiming that it's inevitable for the state to govern how we use our devices. When the realty is, that the state does not need to be involved at the operating system level.
If this was actually about protecting kids, then maybe the state should go after tech companies like xAI which hosts a child pornography generator known as Grok.
This is not about that, this is actually a law that will protect xAI, and allow them to continue to generate non consensual pornography including those of children.
If a child sees harmful material like child pornography that xAI generates, somehow that is now the operating system developer's fault. And it's not impossible to imagine in a few years the parents would also be legally liable.
Okay calling it a lie is a harsh term, and I thought we were coming to at least a mutual understanding of each other's points.
I do not disagree with you, that it shouldn't be them getting involved. However, what is happening is that they are getting involved whether we like it or not. This is the fundamental difference in our viewpoints. If you think there is still a chance to hold out, go for it, but I think there is no way to avoid it at this point.
I see it very clearly. That it's going to happen whether we like it or not. I personally think if all the OSes just held out and said "No way we're not doing anything" then the obvious response is that sites will need to require IDs for everything, and we lost even harder. It's better to suggest a tech forward privacy based approach now rather than let them dictate that everyone should take IDs.
That's my point of view. I know you disagree, and we're not going to come to an agreement, so I don't see the need to continue this thread.