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Because I just discovered it on wikipedia I think is worth adding ‘Ignostic’ - the belief that frankly it’s pointless even discussing any of this unless you can first define a deity. Seems bloody sensible to me.
...who can't define a deity?
Ignosticism sometimes want you to also define what "to believe" means.
Why? You can see in the comment you replied to.
When you are ignostic it is interesting that you can also be, agnostic and Christian by some definitions and antitheist by other definitions... A schrodinger christian.
My hot take: If most atheists would use the same definition for God as most Christians do, they would consider themselves as Christians.
And most christians would be considered atheists if they used common atheist definition.
I'd like to hear this definition of god
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/25143640
Self-referencing Lemmy comment? Not as cool as the self-referencing tweet I saw many years ago
Sorry I meant to sent you this reply to someone else with the same question:
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/24471142
I think the problem with this is that while atheists may believe in those same concepts as christians, we don't make them to be about some divine being but part of just what we are as humans and animals
You used loosely defined term: "Divine being". Those things are IMO by the most grownup christians internalized definition of the "divine being". So this is the same thing and can be replaced.
I am saying most grown up Christians do not believe in an actual "divine being" (definition: a really powerful, physical, human like creature).
There is also a concept in Christianity that "God" is a part of every human.
Let me rephrase your comment in a few ways. Consider by the definition I am talking about: Love,wisdom,... = Concepts = Values = God = Divine being = part of humans.
"I think the problem with this is while atheists may believe in God, we don't make them to be about God, we just think God is just inside every human."
Or
"I think the problem with this is while atheists may believe in Love,Wisdom,..., we don't make them to be about Love,Wisdom,..., we just think Love,Wisdom... is just inside every human."
Ignosticism can make things annoying.
That would be pretty far from the actual teachings of Christianity, and from their actual holy book that is the very center of the religion.
What you're describing is more like "I was grown in a Christian culture, but don't really buy the religion". That'd make the person an atheist who's christian only culturally.
I would argue that most common internalized definition of God by Christians is different from the official Christian definition of God. And this would make most Christians atheist by the official Christian definition. But to argue that, we would have to agree on what is the official Christian definition of God.
Once you define God this implies also the definition of deism and atheism (if we do not get to annoying and ask about what "to believe" means).
What is the definition for God most Christians use?
In my experience grown up Catholics usually internalize more abstract definitions of God. Something between Love, Wisdom, Conscience and Inner voice, Goodnes,...
From the catholics I have close enough relationships I figured they internalized this kind of definiton. And as a kid by often overhearing my parents "marriage group" I figured this is quite common.
There was also a research (not sure how valid) that asked christians to draw God. Kids drew Jesus or old man with a grey beard watching from the sky. However grownups drew something abstract, like symbols, hearts or colors....
But if you will ask christians for a definition of God they will probably give you a textbook definition while not really believing in it.