Many people out there vape in such quantities that they may be harming themselves more than if they smoked, based on this “it’s way better than cigarettes” idea.

Many might switch from cigarettes and save their life.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

but it is not logic based reasoning.

...but "it's 100x better" is? You literally are pulling a number out of your ass.

Many might switch from cigarettes and save their life.

Yes and many more will/have have started a bad habit they will never stop based on "it's not even that bad for you". This is a fact. Nicotine use has risen by scary numbers and it's well known.

[–] HarneyToker@lemmy.world 1 points 21 minutes ago

Why do you care about strangers who have made a decision to do something to their own bodies?

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Nicotine use has risen by scary numbers and it’s well known.

Is that true?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I was fairly sure I'd seen the overall numbers and that they'd risen but of course now I cannot find that. However I found data that supports my main point there which is that loads of kids are vaping and we have good reason to think they'd have avoided cigarettes if vapes weren't a thing:

From 2011 to 2022, current use of electronic cigarettes:

Increased 667% among middle school students, from 0.6% to 4.6%.

Increased 567% among high school students, from 1.5% to 10.0%. This was a 64% decrease from the peak rate of 27.5% in 2019.

In 2022, more than 825,000 children started using e-cigarettes, or more than 2,200 per day.

Source: https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco-trends-brief/overall-smoking-trends

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

That's on the parents, not a product that can only legally be sold to adults.

Kids will always do shit they're not supposed to. I'd much rather they be vaping than smoking.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I never said we need to ban vaping. I said we need to stop pretending it's harmless. This is exactly what happened with smoking: everyone knew it was bad for them, but people who wanted to believe otherwise minimized the danger of smoking for decades. Let's not make the same mistake again.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 2 points 8 hours ago

I don't disagree

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 1 points 8 hours ago

…but “it’s 100x better” is? You literally are pulling a number out of your ass.

Yes, but the claim that it's far better for you than inhaling a bonfire is not crazy. Like I said I agree, vaping most likely isn't healthy.