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Honest question: Was this intentional?
Was this the goal of his visit?
Removing Orban is good for Europe, so I guess it was not intentional.
I think we need to know the other part of the equation, which is whether or not the winner is truly different, or another sock puppet themselves. I truly hope they're good.
Wish we could also see who came out as big winners in this betting.
Having a Western-aligned (America and vassal states) leader in close proximity to a nation who has not submitted yet is certainly part of the plan, always, but could the admin truly be incompetent enough to fuck it up for themselves? Or is Orban just being replaced by a different puppet and we're spectating the theatrics of democracy, no more, no less? I think seeing things as "removing Orban is good for Europe" (and whatever other alternative is "bad for Europe") is a bit oversimplified.
His goal was to fuck couches and chew bubblegum, but he was all out of bubblegum ..
It makes total sense that a guy like Vance with his very narrow life experience as a populist politician in the social, political and press environment of America would absolutelly believe that his presence in Hungary would be a massive help for Orban.
The idea that Far-Right American politicians suffer from American Exceptionalism even more than most Americans (who, judging by their behaviour as turists abroad, in the most have some serious delusions of grandeur) and thus genuinelly expected that their presence and support would sway elections in favour of their ideological brothers, doesn't seem at all far fetched.
This goes double if you think they're used to a political environment were the masses are under-educated (the quality of average Education in the US has for decades been lower than Europe) and politically simplistic due to being brainwashed by the Two Party Duopoly and a mindless take on the Constitution (treated almost like a Holy Book), and a Press thoroughly captured and turned into Propaganda outlets for DECADES leading people by the nose: it's not outrageous to think that because of the environment that made them what they are, in the eyes of American Politicians (not just Republicans but also Democrats) most of the common people are easilly swindled muppets.
Vance thinking he's a very important person and superior politician with vast experience in swindling the populous who can be a great help in convincing the european riff-raff to vote for Orban isn't exactly beyond belief.
Orbán was trying to get Trump to come here and do an endorsment speech for him. There were talks about it. Having the POTUS, the "leader of the free world" here just to endorse Orbán I think (or at leats they did) could have boosted his chances. Especially as Orbán likes to present himself as one of the major players. The big boy on the playground, who is friends with all the biggest ones.
But of course Trump was too lazy to fly all the way here. So he decided to send the next best thing. And when they realized they actually have no next best thing, he sent JD.
But Vance is actually not that well known here. I think 95% of potential Orbán-voters could not place or recognise him. So even though VPOTUS sounds good in theory, it really did not matter that he was here in any way.
I appreciate the context! What is your perspective on Magyar being a former Orban loyalist? Did he truly part ways, or was this to ensure the next russian sock puppet gets in for a long time?
What comes to mind is JD Vance himself once equated Trump to Hitler but then pivoted so rapidly as to he his biggest advocate.
There is luckily zero chance for any of that. If there is one thing the Magyar voters hate more than Orbán, it's Putin. On literally all of Magyar's speeches, or any event connected to the Tisza party, there are alway-always "Russians go home!" chants. Which ironically was originally an Orbán quote from 1989. But it took Orbán 20+ years to change his (and his voters') tune. So I think we are safe with Magyar for about a generation in this regard.