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It was the fight for abortion rights that launched Gloria Steinem into feminism.

The idea that women couldn’t reach equality without the ability to decide whether or when to have children was central to the feminist movement of the late 1960s, which Steinem came to embody until her death at age 92 on Wednesday.

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

You said there are no stats and there are. That's what I responded to - the stats are showing the trend of women's freedoms tied to the falling birth rates. And since women have more options to delay children or not have them at all, the economy will play a factor into them using those options that are available. And despite the economic hardships, women overall are not going to choose to have as many children as they did before gaining those freedoms and medical advancements.

I don't think it's helpful to discuss falling birth rates without acknowledging that access to education, career advancements, and reproductive health options have a huge impact. That's one of the reasons conservatives across the globe are pushing to limit abortion access and take away birth control.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm talking to a stone wall here. You keep pointing to a very different situation and claiming it as data to prove your point when my entire point is that they're very different situations.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They aren't different, they're related. They are intertwined.

I'm having a discussion with you and bringing stats and sources. You don't want to engage in back and forth discussion? Don't push that there's no data or no statistics on this.

There's a lot of stats on this subject.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm tapping out. You keep posting your stuff. I'm just rolling my eyes here.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago

Aw you're no fun. Did you even read any of the sources I gave you?

I'm not even disagreeing with you completely and I haven't been an asshole lol. There's a prevailing idea here that more money will make women want enough children to solve the falling birth rates and I think that doesn't show the full picture.