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There's a person from the solar punk lemmy posting in there about how the american flag stands for freedom and equality for all and I can't help but cringe at how much they're not living up to the "punk" part with their bullshit nationalism lmao
Punk is an aesthetic
That's all
An aesthetic that developed from rebellion against unjust hierarchies in society. Art doesn't exist in a vacuum.
Yeah, it got its start that way, but at the end of the day, if you picked out 5 self-described punks, you're liable to get a bunch of really disjointed political beliefs
The punk scene has been divorced from its origins and is mainly just set dressing for a kind of aimless, plaintive rebellion
Not to say that there aren't any punks out there who aren't cool, just that like a lot of other movements its been reduced to a commodity
The point I'm trying to make is that you can't completely disassociate art from the material conditions that created it. I was having a conversation about this with someone else earlier today when we made the observation that He-Man is basically western Sailor Moon, complete with queer identities, similar criticisms of society and even does transformations similarly.
They more or less independently ended up at the same thing, in the same time period, because the conditions in which they were created produced very similar outcomes. Both of them became gay cult icons to their audiences.
You can't divorce art from the conditions that creates it. We could take the entire aesthetic from either of these shows and port it, then try to remove as much ideology as possible from it to transform it into something else... But the key element grounding the art can't be removed or you ultimately remove its identity, you turn it into an entirely different "aesthetic". The gay elements and style are a core part of the dna for these shows, a rebellion component that criticises the conditions in society at the time of their creation. They physically can't be removed from these shows without transforming the aesthetic feel of them too far for everyone to feel they're comparable or correct evolutions of the original art.
The suffix -punk usage attempts to do this, but ultimately it continues to maintain a very small and un-removeable element of its core leftist DNA criticising society because it simply can't be entirely removed without transforming it into something nobody would call -punk anymore. They'd call it SolarFascism or some shit I don't know. Either way it would look transformatively different to Solar-punk in a way that people would no longer want to describe it as such.
Pretty much these days
Kind of sad really
I have certainly seen a lot of punk media with the American flag in it
The correct amount of American flags is directly correlated to the amount of those flags getting burned or pissed on
An aesthetic under capitalism is like a culturally distributed type of brand. Punk used to have more common and distinct cultural signifiers, but capitalism forces us to abandon those in favor of aesthetic ones. Aesthetics are easy to recognize, to sell, and to consume. So that’s what survives. This doesn’t change anything about the history of punk and what it used to mean to be punk. It also has a queer history as well as a leftist one.
There is still plenty of DIY underground punk mostly done by leftists and there's a worldwide network of bands, traveling kids, people operating venues or community centre's etc. It's just really underground and inaccessible. Pink belongs to the punks. It still exists, you just aren't necessarily part of it.
Yeah, I had a folk punk musician crash on my couch after a show at one point but that’s about it.
Folk punk doesn't count either.
Then I’m completely out of touch. I got nothin
You don't even need to leave the conventional AmLit canon to make a joke of that many times over. I know that you know this, of course, but other people sometimes benefit from these references being posted.
I think we all benefit from re-reading them from time to time.
Most compound words with punk as the suffix are super duper not punk. If it's two separate words it's probably not poser or nerd shit. Thisbinclude cyberpunk.
This is what my brain now defaults to when hearing "Solarpunk"
This is exactly what I was getting at in this comment when I say that too much of the root dna of "punk" has been removed such that it becomes transformatively different to the point that the -punk suffix no longer applies.
if you're a genre movement first and foremost being a -punk is cringe. -punk in music is alright more often