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[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Did you know that the most powerful way to win over people and debate effectively is to open up with an ad hominem?

Bernie is a human, and like most of us has been on the wrong side of things in the past, he is not on the wrong side here, but he does not have the support or backing to do more than use strong words.

[–] oregoncom@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Begging the Question. Appeal to Emotion. Fallacy Fallacy. Slothful Induction. Appeal to Nature.

[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What would you suggest then? What more can I do and say as an individual than what I have? What can he do that you would deem more effective?

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What can he do that you would deem more effective?

[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] context@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

it's from the 2017 movie first reformed

[–] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

You could also get on the Bernie hate bandwagon. That would be a marginal improvement.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

he does not have the support or backing to do more than use strong words.

He didn't even use words like "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing". What's he's doing is worse than useless because it doesn't rock the boat and libs don't get mad and they can entirely ignore him.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An ad hominem isn't a fancy word for "an insult" you stupid fucking idiot. An ad hominem is a rhetorical fallacy that ties your (bad) personal character to the quality of the argument you make - You are a stupid fucking idiot, therefore your argument is wrong.
Learn what things mean you dog, you beetle, you utter stain on my underwear. Insulting you isn't a fallacy, it's what you get for being a dumbass.

[–] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Learn what things mean you dog, you beetle

michael-laugh

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You ever just wake up in the morning and think, "yeah I'll run interference for genocide supporters"?

Couldn't be me.

Nope never not real my mo.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Did you know that ad hominem is not a fancy word for insult?

[–] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

I knew a guy that had a chart of logical fallacies they would point to and show off. They had a collage of their favourite men as their computer desktop background as well, faces like Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson. It was for inspiration.

[–] O__O@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

But he didn’t use strong words. He bloviated in a way that makes liberals think he did, but he carefully avoided actually doing it.

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What putting a timeline on another person's freedom does to a mf. If you were under the gun, you wouldn't have much tolerance for the devil's advocate. Letting people pontificate about the morality of genocide got us to this point in the first place. To what end would you try and win over an advocate of genocide? You don't actually debate a hostage taker or try to win them over. You don't actually entertain the idea that they had a point in putting an innocent person in a violent situation. Empathy might be a tactic in the strategy in order to expropriate the hostage taker from the victims like getting the hostage taker to admit they're in over their head. Bernie clearly doesn't have an overarching strategy of frustrating Israel's capacity to enslave Gaza. If the frame is anything but Israel should be made to yield then you're playing games with people's lives and it's sad that someone once told you that it's okay to do that