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[–] sxan@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

On the one hand: awww, poor cheater world's smallest violin meme

On the other hand: expulsion from the university for a first offense seems... harsh.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

universities take plagiarism very seriously. Friend of mine teaches stage craft (how to make sets, props, costumes, lighting and sound design/planning/execution/engineering)

First semester, first test, easy pass: Someone pokes their head into the class and my friend goes to the door to answer them, stepping outside for like ~30 seconds

comes to mark the papers:

"In a proscenium theater, what is the very front of the stage called?"

Real answer: apron

55% of the student answers: the same made up word that sounded vaguely Portuguese with no hits on Google.

even though it's super dumb and super easy and barely matters at all and is a one word answer to a basic question - the students ended up being investigated by the university and my friend had all his classes audited.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I may be dumb, but to clarify: they were assumed cheating because the word was fake, and the only reason for so many duplicated fake answers would be if they shared a faulty answer sheet. Right?

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah, I mean a forgivable wrong answer would be "downstage center" "the front" "the lip" "limelights" "footlights" "wing" "leg" "curtain" "pit" - like close but wrong terminology or similar guesses.

The fact that loads of them said the same weird wrong answer was very sus.

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cheating is taken VERY seriously at every decent University. As it should.

[–] Senshi@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Still, cheating to some extent exists everywhere. This just weeds out the real lazy or stupid cheaters. Which is also some kind of quality check, I guess.

To cheat properly, I've has to be a bit clever and shrewd, which is a valuable character trait. Maybe not the most moral one, but real life isn't all moral either. 🤷‍♂️

Sometimes the best and most efficient solutions are created by just cleverly combining the work of others.

[–] MycelialMass@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] firewood010@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I hope my Uni had this. I have never cheated, but cheaters sometimes have better grades than me.

[–] sxan@midwest.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess that would harm you if the class is graded on a curve. I'm not saying they shouldn't be caught and penalized, only that expulsion from the university is a harsh penalty. Automatic failure of the class would hurt plenty, without utterly destroying someone's life.

[–] firewood010@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is not harsh. Cheating is immoral and unfair, and every adult knows that. It is in nature a forgery of your degree. Honesty needs to be highly valued and respected. We have cooperations and politicians lying everyday because of this.

I'm going to allege that such "educational" institutions' focus on "cheating" is harmful and dangerous for their students.

I'm a flight instructor. Students would show up to my class actually afraid to be caught writing things down to refer to them later. They were afraid to be caught using checklists. They would overwhelm themselves trying to commit entire technical manuals to memory. That's not how anything actually works. The FAA prints all these references so pilots can read them. We don't take them away from you when you pass your practical.

Checklist usage in the cockpit is a required skill to pass a practical test. The examiner has to see you using a checklist during the test in order to pass you. Writing things down so you can refer to them later, like flight planning and ATC clearances, also a required skill. Schools make people afraid to do these things.

If you've got a kneeboard that has the tower light gun signal chart printed on it, and you lose the radio and need light gun signals, you're not going to have your license taken away from you if you use that quick reference. Too many students bring that pressure into flight training with them. It's a fun bit of deprogramming to do.