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What is Neurodivergence?

It's ADHD, Autism, OCD, schizophrenia, anxiety, depression, bi-polar, aspd, etc etc etc etc

“neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behavior”

So, it’s very broad, if you feel like it describes you then it does as far as we're concerned


Rules

1.) ableist language=post or comment will probably get removed (enforced case by case, some comments will be removed and restored due to complex situations). repeated use of ableist language=banned from comm and possibly site depending on severity. properly tagged posts with CW can use them for the purposes of discussing them

2.) always assume good faith when dealing with a fellow nd comrade especially due to lack of social awareness being a common symptom of neurodivergence

2.5) right to disengage is rigidly enforced. violations will get you purged from the comm. see rule 3 for explanation on appeals

3.) no talking over nd comrades about things you haven't personally experienced as a neurotypical chapo, you will be purged. If you're ND it is absolutely fine to give your own perspective if it conflicts with another's, but do so with empathy and the intention to learn about each other, not prove who's experience is valid. Appeal process is like appealing in user union but you dm the nd comrade you talked over with your appeal (so make it a good one) and then dm the mods with screenshot proof that you resolved it. fake screenies will get you banned from the site, we will confirm with the comrade you dm'd.

3.5) everyone has their own lived experiences, and to invalidate them is to post cringe. comments will be removed on a case by case basis depending on determined level of awareness and faith

4.) Interest Policing will not be tolerated in any form. Support your comrades in their joy!

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I hear that this has been tried before but it didn't really land because finding viable substitutes for particular terms can be difficult. I'm fascinated by language though and I wanted to take a shot at this myself.

Just a disclaimer that I'm not trying to drag anyone over using any of these terms and I'm not going to pretend that I'm some paragon of anti-ableism myself - I have work to do on this front, you probably do too and if we all work together we can make some positive change and establish better habits and a more supportive culture in our communities.

Here's a list of words that are more socially acceptable in their ableism and some suggestions for alternatives:

Crazy, Stupid, Dumb, Moronic, Idiotic

[In the sense that something is incorrect or bad]

Silly, foolish, absurd, ridiculous, laughable, nonsense/nonsensical, illogical, incomprehensible, inscrutable, irrational, contradictory, hypocritical, self-defeating, naive, ill-conceived, inane, asinine, counterproductive, unbelievable,

Crazy, Mad

[In the sense of letting loose or being enthusiastic]

Going wild, getting stuck into something, in a frenzy, on a rampage, being engrossed, head over heels, obsessed.

Psychotic, Psychopath, Psycho

[In the sense that something is cruel]

Vicious, bloodthirsty, monstrous, horrific, sadistic, heartless, brutal, ruthless, horrendous, reprehensible, despicable, depraved.

Crippled

Hamstrung, moribund, incapacitated, impaired, ineffective/ineffectual, hog-tied (lol).


What are some other ableist words that are pretty commonplace even amongst the left that you've heard?

Are there terms that I have overlooked or any ones that you use yourself that you'd like to replace?

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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not that it was ever a medical term, the issue is disparaging someone based on their perceived level of intelligence rather than anything that they're actually doing wrong. Almost everyone with learning disabilities will have been called stupid for their conditions hundreds of times, even if they aren't doing anything morally wrong; meanwhile half the time us Hexbears call something or someone stupid, it's completely off base because it's mostly not an issue of intelligence but an issue of morality and class interest. It's a little like calling someone fat to offend them, when they're not even overweight.

[–] Sons_of_Ferrix@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Okay but wouldn't that mean any insult based around intelligence is ableist? So calling someone "ignorant", "dense", "oblivious", "incoherent", ect.

Also not all lack of intelligence is caused by disability, sometimes it's born of laziness and lack of curiosity.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ignorance has nothing to do with intelligence, nor does being oblivious or dense, those are a lack of knowledge and personality traits respectively, and incoherent is just a subjective descriptor, something is or is not incoherent it's not a value judgment, and not related to intelligence either

[–] ta00000@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We need a word that specifically targets the sort of person who is chronically incurious, but who constantly feels the need to speak their nonsense opinion, which if you read between the lines usually boils down to "that's scary, let's just keep doing the same thing" dragging the entire conversation down because they neither know what they're talking about nor care to find out. I think that specific situation is what we mean, at least on hexbear if not generally, when we say someone is "being stupid" or the like.

If you literally meant to tell someone that you think their brain is bad because of consequences of their birth, then you should reevaluate whether you really want to do that, which is where this post comes in.

[–] charlie@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do we need a word to target someone.

[–] Sons_of_Ferrix@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having a descriptor for a specific genre of shitty people can help with organizing against them. It's why terms like "gusano", "kulak", "Burgerbrain" and "kkkrackkker" exist.

[–] charlie@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean yes, and that’s why terms like removed exists. I’m probably thinking too rigidly about this…

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I come up against this wall often. Sometimes I do something myself that I would consider "stupid" and frankly the only thing I've found that feels like a good replacement is "ill-conceived" and "thoughtless" blob-no-thoughts. Depending on the scenario being whether I feel rather negative about it or positive about it would determine whether I lean more towards "stupid" over "thoughtless" though. Maybe that's self-ableism but I sort of don't think it is, without viewing my own actions and determining whether they were the application of good or bad ability-wise I would not improve at a given task, so some sort of analysis of ability at various things is a necessity in basic life.

[–] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ignorance and intelligence are different things. I think willful ignorance would denote lack of intelligence, however.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

The most willfully ignorant people I've ever met were quite smart