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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 158 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

~~Ukraine~~ United States is going to lose if Congress doesn't send more aid

The fact that everyone understands that the war in Ukraine is based on American backing means that it's a proxy war between the US and Russia.

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 109 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$773 billion dollars last year spent on fighting "proxy" wars around the world (and if you count the spying, domestically).

The only one that America has actual moral footing to get behind is the only one we are pulling punches on.

[–] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hardly the first time. I'd argue the US made the same mistake in Afghanistan in 2003, diverting resources to Iraq because Bush Jr. had such a hard-on for Saddam.

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

100%

With each passing day, Biden's administration looks like the Bush administration's bigger more right wing brother.

Citizens United needs to be overturned. The Pentagon budget needs to be at least halved. We need the 2 party system to end.

This will never happen if we keep voting for the lesser evil every 4 years.

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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 113 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Yes, no shit. That was the outlook from day 1.

The Russian Army is largely represented as a bunch of baffoons in the Western media, but it's still one of the 3 largest armies in the world. Ukraine cannot hold their lines indefinitely, the only way to "win" against an opponent that has multiple times your materiel available is guerilla.

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[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 101 points 1 year ago (14 children)

It is a bad idea to trust and rely on Ameeica. Some Afgans learned this lesson in 2021, the same is happening to Ukraine now.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 89 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 97 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Gaddafi's is just sad. Such a terrible decision to give up their nuclear deterrence and trust western governments.

Nukes are why the DPRK hasn't been invaded again, and why it hasn't ended up Libya is now.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 16 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Ukraine gave up their nukes in exchange for peace with Russia, then got invaded by Russia.

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[–] lemmytellyousomething@lemmy.dbzer0.com 96 points 1 year ago (49 children)

The free world loses when Russia wins.

It's pretty much an invitation to China to do the same in Taiwan and an invitation for Russia to start more wars in eastern Europe.....

Helping Ukraine costs money. Not helping Ukraine costs even more.

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[–] Alsjemenou@lemy.nl 84 points 1 year ago (21 children)

People in this thread clearly don't understand what the implications are. There is a very clear danger of war on the European continent that will involve NATO and by proxy the US. Aid for Ukraine is the absolute cheapest option. Europe is not going to just let Ukraine fall and will ramp up their involvement. We already have France willing to send troops.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the US is already involved by proxy

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[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 83 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

They so desperately want their own version of Putin in the US. Where they get to kill their political opponents when they like.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Biden frantically sends more aid to israel

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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

[–] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Definately NOT proxy cannon fodder

[–] Yor@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Without the support of Congress, it will be "difficult" for Ukraine to win, "even to stay," Zelenskyy said in a video meeting with fundraising supporters, including Mark Hamill and billionaire Richard Branson.

Nightmare blunt rotation

Anyway, wow! You mean every time Russia was said to be slowing down or taking unsustainable levels of casualties wasn't entirely true? Wow! surprised-pika

[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I think the weakness of Ukraine is also narrative.

Whatever narrative they push, it’s completely unrelated to the truth.

When they wanted western sympathy and when the western funds were rolling, it was the plucky tractor brigade killing Russians at $1.40 a kill.

Now that they aren’t getting another aid package, the front lines are about to collapse and Russia will be in Warsaw by summer.

It’s all bullshit. As in it’s unrelated to the truth. The truth has no relationship to what Zelenskyy says.

The fact Ukraine is starting to push an imminent collapse narrative is a key factor in me believing collapse is not in fact imminent.

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[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Do they mean that Mark Hamill?

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

"Lol", said the red white and blue scorpion. "Lmao".

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

NATO is seeking to take control of decision-making powers on future aid packages — normally led by the US — in an effort to limit the impact of a potential second Donald Trump presidency on the ongoing conflict.

This is wild. It's bad enough that the US president has the power to start wars wherever he wants with no congressional approval. But now they're trying to make it so that the only people with the authority to withdraw from a conflict are unelected NATO officials accountable to no one.

Dronies will support this, because they love endless war across the globe and want to remove any potential for popular support to achieve peace.

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[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

nice job america, now in addition to everything else, you've lost a war you weren't even fighting in. Fuck yeah!

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lose away bozo, you got played

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[–] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Ukraine is already losing and unless something crazy happens they will lose.

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