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[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Not to mention the psychological pain of having to write out bizarre corporate-speak emails for hours on end:

Hi [such-and-such],

I hope you had a wonderful weekend!

I'm just checking in with you to follow up on our last discussion and the emails above with regards to your progress on [thing that's supposed to be your fucking job].

Per my last email I was hoping we would have this cleared away by last Friday as I am requiring it to be able to move ahead with [my job] in a timely manner, although I'm sure that you are already aware of this. I have reattached the related documents for your convenience.

Going forward, if you encounter any unforeseen delays in future please feel free to keep me apprised of the situation and to let me know where I might be of assistance.

Thanks in advance :)

If that shit makes you wince or gives you flashbacks, just imagine what it's like being autistic and how that would amplify the suffering - I can barely scrape by doing normal social interactions without adding an extra layer of complexity into the mix smh. (No wonder I went completely bonkers working a desk job...)

[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

I've written that exact email so many times shinji-froggy-chair

[–] solitaire 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

common american L tbh

Meanwhile I can basically just say hello, goodbye and "Any update on x? I'm waiting on it for y" without coming across as rude. The bizarre corporate speak is still there but it's for specific uses.

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Y'know what's funny?

There's one particular job where I had to do this bullshit (just a typical NGO hellhole) but there some people who were on the level where could drop all the pretense and be very terse with without worrying about causing offence. Obviously any of the IT team would get that kind of bare bones no-nonsense style of emails out of me because I know what they're like and what they need - and it sure ain't some fucking flowery essay.

It was all "Problem -> Attempted solutions in bullet points -> My hunch about the cause -> What I need from them and a deadline if I'm working to one".

Anyway, whatever I was doing made enough of an impression that the IT team started calling the office I was based at specifically to talk to me about IT problems at my site and to get me to do any physical stuff they couldn't do remotely like identifying a status light, hitting a button, or plugging something in, even when it wasn't my personal IT problem and all of this stuff was completely outside the purview of my job.

Before I figured out what was going on this would cause me to panic because I'd get a call from the national office number or someone would inform me that there's an IT team member that's trying to find me and I'd be wondering wtf I was about to get in trouble over.

Turns out that they just needed someone who was capable of following instructions and who was able to communicate things using specific language and they managed to find their guy on the inside. I mean, I get it - I've done tech support for family and friends where it feels like you're pulling teeth but it was weird knowing that there was this whole IT team that knew me by name and would use me exclusively as their human interface for that site when I had never met any of them in my life and often I'd be away from that office for days on end.

Part of me was like "Goddamn, you'd prefer to wait 3 days just to get me to do some 2 minute job for you?" and another part of me was like "Of course the IT office has an informal list of all the site names, each with particular staff members that they have identified as being above the 'typing the word Google into the Google search bar to bring up Google' level of tech literacy that they share amongst the team."

[–] solitaire 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Turns out that they just needed someone who was capable of following instructions and who was able to communicate things using specific language and they managed to find their guy on the inside.

This is any office job where you have to communicate with different teams honestly, not just IT. Getting things done is just building a list of competent people you can call to bypass all the various filters. One of the most common conversations at work is just "who was your guy at X who got Y done?".

It's extremely funny when you get blowhards who think the way to get shit done is to talk to the boss though. The small business tyrant clients we have just jump to the "I'll just call the boss then" the moment there is the slightest bit of friction or delay and it always makes me laugh. My boss is actually a pretty standup guy and really good at what he does, but if you're not important enough he will literally wait months to action something and these guys never are.

[–] hungrybread@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I realize this is exaggerated, but do you actually get useful responses with emails of that length? When I have to send a work email I can't write more than 2 sentences and expect a meaningful response, if I get one at all. The best is when you're literally trying to help someone else do their job and they don't respond. It's always managers too! ITS LITERALLY THEIR JOB TO REPLY TO EMAILS

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd get people doing weaponised shell-game on me:

I'd write a two-sentence email and people would get dark on me for it.

I'd write something flowery like that and people wouldn't read it.

I'd write something that would open with the lede, turn flowery for a paragraph or two, and then close with the lede and it still wouldn't be okay for whatever reason.

There were people who couldn't fucking answer bullet points when it was completely explicit.

Idk, part of it was that the staff felt overworked, a lot of it was that the role I was in represented a significant change especially with regards to the power balance in the organisation so staff were digging their heels in so as to obstruct my project by any means possible, part of it was just people being inscrutable jerks.

I pissed so many hours up the wall talking to managers to get them to performance-manage their staff on getting them to read and respond to their emails and "wrapping around" communication so that shitty staff wouldn't get away with basically lying about the expectations I was placing on them or what was being asked from them to achieve tasks. That place had a really weird culture.

I know it probably sounds like I was working as a hatchet man but that's the opposite of what I was actually doing. I don't really want to give specifics so I can maintain some anonymity but in round about terms my role was straddling the lines between compliance with regards to accreditation and internal policy as well driving devolution of power, mostly through organisational change.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My God is that how Americans write emails ? I would go crazy if I had to write so much to say so little.

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

It varies between different office cultures and it's a bit of an exaggeration but it's also pretty plausible that you'd see something like this.

Although I should mention that I'm not an American, I just live in a Yankee running dog country but it's pretty much the same shit.

[–] Packet@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Sabotaging company data is more fun than sabotaging your own team though, change my mind