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[–] P34C0CK@lemmy.world 138 points 2 years ago (6 children)

is now asking all employees within 50 miles of a company office to go in at least two days a week on a hybrid schedule.

I briefly worked for a company that took this approach. The oversight they made was they had 2 offices (different teams in each), but as long as you lived within 50 miles of one of the offices, you had to come in.

Even if your team was exclusively in office 1, and you lived outside the radius of office 1 BUT were in the radius of office 2...you had to come in to office 2...and teleconference with your team in office 1 🤦

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 69 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I’d just move further away lol

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Stay where you are and work for a different company. Problem solved.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know a lawyer in the Boston suburbs who went full WFH during the pandemic. He loved his job but was upset when his boss pushed for him to come back to the office. Boss said he lived too close to the office in Boston to justify it.

Lawyer moved to Vermont with his girlfriend and still works fully remote for the same law office.

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[–] ren@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

most have contingencies that if you are in the 50, then move out of the 50, that’s on you. You still gotta come in.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You mean my incredibly easy-to-predict life hack was countered before i could even try? I’m shocked… shocked I tell you.

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[–] fraydabson@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 years ago

Wow that’s next level dumb. My job did something similar. Someone whose team was based out of Texas yet they still made the 2 people from MI go to the MI office. And on separate days “so someone was always available”

Then the same company closed 75% of their massive building and said the hybrid employees have to share cubes with other people. I’m so glad HR made me permanent remote.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

50 miles during a commute is way too far. My employer has pushed for people whose commute would be 1 hour maximum during rush hour to try to come into an office once a week. Where I live it can take an hour to go 10-15 miles during rush hour…

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There's a guy at my company that lives in Sacramento, and commutes twice a week to go in the office in mountain view. That's a 4 hour commute with no traffic.

His entire team is in the San diego office. There's literally zero point, but I guess his manager isn't willing or capable of fighting for an exception to the hybrid mandate.

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[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 84 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean... as a software developer, Sorry, I will not be returning to the office.

You need me, more than I need you. The market is HOT right now.

Companies will learn, the hard way.

[–] pseudonym@monyet.cc 34 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Is the market hot right now? With all the layoffs, the sentiment on blind seems to be don't try to find a job now

[–] HerrLewakaas@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

Big tech overhired. There is still a massive number of companies that are in dire need of software devs. They won't pay 300k though

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The layoffs were all from the big tech companies, the small ones are still operating as per usual.

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[–] june@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

90% of the people who were laid off in December had a new job by February. That timeframe has been consistent across the board.

There is still a huge talent gap and there are still a huge amount of high paying jobs available for folks in software. You may have more trouble getting into the largest orgs, but aim a bit smaller and you can find work pretty quickly.

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[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's for relatively fresh programmers, and in particular BSc or BA.

If you have years of experience, it's the opposite, companies fight each other to get you.

[–] sfgifz@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

So:

The market is HOT right now.**

** Conditions apply.

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[–] markr@lemmy.world 77 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Return to office to sit at computer on zoom.

[–] stripper_toucan@feddit.it 27 points 2 years ago

I'm in this picture and I don't like it

[–] snownyte@kbin.social 64 points 2 years ago (3 children)

"THE REAL ESTATE! PLEASE THINK OF HOW MUCH WE PAY FOR THE PRETTY BUILDING!"

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[–] Inventa@lemmy.fmhy.net 55 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'd love to understand the logic and benefit of come two days a week. But the real reason, not the bullshit they say

[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 66 points 2 years ago (4 children)

They've invested a lot of money in office real estate and hate that it's going to waste.

Also, CEOs tend to be extroverts who want to be around people. They're also sociopaths who think everyone is like them (or they don't care what others think).

Combine the two and you get this.

[–] whatisallthis@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago

Also no one actually knows how long tasks take.

If you work from home and only work for 4 hours, lots of managers do not know how to tell if that work you did took 8 hours or 4. In the office they have plausible deniability that they saw you there doing something.

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[–] avirse@feddit.uk 15 points 2 years ago

No idea whether it's their reason, but anecdotally I've found it has a few benefits. If coordinated properly it's significantly easier to train new(er) staff, it improves cross-organisational understanding to overhear other departments' conversations either at desks or in break rooms, and it stops people becoming isolated pockets of knowledge and culture because they only ever see or interact with the same one or two people.

[–] teejay@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Because the people creating these mandates don't have to suffer them. They come and go as they please, and they don't work in the ~~pit~~ open office space. They have real offices with furniture, walls, and doors that shut.

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[–] pizza-bagel@kbin.social 49 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Currently looking for another job and EVERY job I have seen that's hybrid has multiple offices across the country. So basically they make you come into the office to talk to the rest of your team on zoom. Somehow that is more efficient than talking to them on zoom from your house.

[–] JBloodthorn@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago

That's pants-on-head level stupidity.

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[–] RespectMyAuthoriteh@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Oscar Meyer tells employees to eat less meat"

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Pfizer tells employees to use homeopathic remedies."

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"Microsoft tells employees to use Linux."

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[–] Innocent_Bystander@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago

Careful, this article might cause irony poisoning

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

Airbnb tells employees to stay at hotels.

[–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

We can only assume the internal memo was:

"Hey guys! Oh shit! Our remote conferencing software is actually crap! We need to return to the office ASAP!"

Good for them not having any "sacred cow" technologies - not even the one they sell, apparently.

[–] kowcop@aussie.zone 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seems like a way of culling staff without having to pay severance.. make it so shit that people leave, but make allowances for the key people you need

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[–] lnsfw3@lemmynsfw.com 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Zoom, which remains a leader in the post-pandemic remote work trend, is now asking all employees within 50 miles of a company office to go in at least two days a week on a hybrid schedule.

lol. That's like an hour each way.

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[–] platysalty@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago

Don't get high on your own supply

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

They have to come back to the office, but no getting out of their cubicle to talk. They have to use Zoom for that.

[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

In other news, a bunch of Zoom employees are easily poachable.

[–] scmstr@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 2 years ago

When you really don't believe in your own stuff...

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Different circumstances but similarly funny in an absurd way because of how it sounds, I remember reading a news item in the 90s about the time when a riot broke out in a Nerf factory in China.

[–] ScrollinMyDayAway@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] Prongle@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hahaha Zoom about to be btfo by resignations

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

That's probably the idea.

Get rid of a load of staff, cut costs, boost profits in the extreme short term.

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[–] nijave@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wouldn't be surprised if this is just to weed out employees so they don't need to do layoffs. Forcing return to office keeps employees that are "loyal" to the company while potentially trimming down total headcount.

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