As someone who masks as this man for work sometimes you definitely should be. I often quite literally feel like a sheep in wolfs clothing around these kinds of dudes. I say this as today I literally dropped the collared shirt and put on a tie dye to go to a queer polyamory group in my area. Those dudes are absolutely not to be trusted and if capitalism didn't force me to pretend to like them I absolutely would smash their faces in
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I'm sorry for all the stupid shit capitalism makes us do.
Someday we'll win and escape the hell
If a man under 25 wears a collar when he isn't forced to, kill him with hammers
you can take my hawaiian shirts from my cold dead hands
Aloha shirts and flannels are the only acceptable collars
Although as a Floridian can we please take the Hawaii approach and have Aloha shirts be actual formal wear? Wearing European style dress clothes here is fucking insane and I don’t want to wear a suit to weddings anymore
I was about to defend my dress, then I realized I passed this mark 5 years ago
Only exception is the Zack Pinsent set.
People who overdress (highly situation dependent) are trying to differentiate themselves from the lower socioeconomic class. You are right to be afraid.
fuck suits never ever trust a suit
I interned at a bank and met the guys aspiring to be men in suits. This is a good call.
I wear sweatpants and band t shirts nearly every day of my life
Me but with jeans instead.
One thing I'm very proud of is that I project a kind of Slovenliness Field around myself wherever I go that lowers standards and makes people care less about their job. I destroy workplace discipline. It even affects electronics.
Keep up the good work!
that's your survival instinct kicking in
Counterpoint
it isn't 1920, you no longer only own two sets of of clothes both of which are suits
the immediate need to suppress the fight-or-flight response
Like they're wearing a mask and are hiding something.
I mean, that's the point isn't it?
I'm with you for reasons I'm struggling to articulate
If they have a briefcase, I just assume it's full of guts from their victims
Suits can be pretty cool but there are different types of suits and each end of the Suit Vibes Scale
Clean blue/nacy pressed suit: evil, rancid vibes
Suit jacket and shirt with jeans: stop that, ew
Plain black suit: pretty cool
Saul Goodman ass suits with ten different colours: beautiful
Yes, this
Suit jacket and shirt with jeans
but don't you want to hear about all the cool games coming soon to xbox??
theyre telling me that theyre willing to cow uncomfortably to the demiurge in a way that i'm not.
even the new corpo-style of polos and outdoor vests kinda gives me the creeps
anyone that wants to signal class like that, even if they are just trying to fit in at work, just comes off as sus to me
unless there's an explicit dress code that is required, it just seems to me to be very similar to boot-licking
utilitarian uniforms and such are fine since they are signaling working class vibes, but these PMC uniforms are dreadful
Oh yeah, this reminds me of a paper I read about the ikeamen that parade themselves in their factories in Mexico. I think it was about a Volvo factory and the tall white Swedish polo shirt wearing, equality exhuming men who go there to exploit workers.
Polo shirts actually give me the ick a lot more than suits.
I hate polo shirts with a burning passion. When I’m supreme leader of earth they will be banned and the people who pushed them will be persecuted.
Do you want to wear something incredibly ugly and unflattering that also makes you look like a corporate tool? No? What if it was also uncomfortable?
That is better than I could have ever put it. At least dress shirts, if they fit right, are generally comfortable and flattering.
I would feel different about someone wearing an old-timey suit , though a greater proportion of people wore suits then
Then again that person might be a g-g-g-ghost and scare me a different way
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Me too but it’s because these men are the most egocentric and disgusting when I see them in public spaces. In the train they always take 1,5 seat pushing against me and I’ve seen 2 of them jacking off in the train at different times.
I used to think suits are attractive but the men underneath them are really really gross.
100% agree. I work at a university, and a white man in formal clothes sets off my fight or flight response. No one wearing a suit in my building is up to anything good. Honestly no one on the whole campus wearing a suit is up to anything good, but especially in research buildings. Scientists wear jeans and t shirts 95% of the time, you stand out like a sore thumb and set off everyone’s alarms.
God forbid I see a whole gaggle of young white men in khakis and sports coats. There’s a significant chance those men are on their way to do a hate crime.
Only tangentially related, if there was one piece of clothing I could remove from existence, it would be the polo shirt. There is no valid use for a polo shirt. They’re incredibly ugly while also making you look like a corporate dickwad. At least actual formal clothes do look nice even though they worry me.
same
You're correct and I agree with you.
I dress slightly more neat than the average leftist. I have no tats and no facial hair. I'm not dressed formally, but i airways have long trousers/jeans and they're never ripped. Other leftists take a little longer to warm up to me because I could be a fed.
They're certainly immediately one to be wary of.
Sadly I have dressed like this on rare occasion, but only if I intend to meet rich fucks and convince them to do something for me. (i.e. I'm wearing a mask and am hiding something)
Edit: I almost forgot the most important fact. Threads like these are counter-revolutionary. The revolution simply will not occur as long as would-be comrades in the working class are easily divided by such matters as…
(checks notes)
…apparel.
I don’t often wear suits, mostly because of the strong associations and prejudice well-represented in this thread, but here’s my brief defense of the old-fashioned clothing style.
Suits are mega comfy, like pajamas. They’re versatile, can be modified to fit a variety of tasks and occasions. You get nice compliments from strangers when you wear them. They can be nondescript or flamboyant easily. They don’t signify social or economic status (beyond employment, perhaps, since it was once traditional professional attire) and most who wear them regularly are working class, not wealthy. You can thrift one for 20 bucks.
Styles of clothing are neither evil nor good, and say little about the character of a person wearing them outside television and theater.
You get nice compliments from strangers when you wear them. They can be nondescript or flamboyant easily. They don’t signify social or economic status (beyond employment, perhaps, since it was once traditional professional attire) and most who wear them regularly are working class, not wealthy. You can thrift one for 20 bucks.
Okay first of all, I said a "nice pressed blue suit" which should give you a clue that I don't mean something from a thrift store, and secondly a very small percentage of the workforce wear suits. They are usually white collar workers, and the expensive pressed blue suits are usually reserved for the higher paid businessmen, real estate moguls and bankers you see in the city. I always find it very telling when someone thinks most workers wear a suit. No, most workers wear uniforms and a name tag, or hi-vis. But they're lower class, so I guess they're invisible.
You get nice compliments from strangers because they're an economic status signifier.
Styles of clothing are neither evil nor good, and say little about the character of a person wearing them
That's just untrue, otherwise uniforms wouldn't exist. Clothing can tell you about a person's culture, economic status, job, gender, favourite band...
I mean, would the clothes of someone wearing an SS uniform tell you nothing about their character?
It sounds like maybe you see suits as a strong symbol of socioeconomic status, authority, power, and likely oppression. I don’t, and I’ve worked both blue collar and white collar jobs (including construction, since you specifically mentioned our vests). Also my current job is blue collar, if that matters to you.
In my country, suits are usually worn by working class people either at semi-formal occasions like weddings or in some professional settings (white collar office workers, public-facing service or sales personnel, etc). The wealthy are more likely to wear shorts and flip flops.
And I’m not sure why “pressed” and “blue” are so significant. Black and blue are just common colors. Pressed is not really a thing for most suits, so I assume you just mean businessy-looking. Suits can be expensive but most aren’t. Looking “nice” mostly comes down to whether it fits. A $50 wool suit off the rack looks great if it fits, and honestly few can tell the difference between a $100 and $1000 suit including me.
TL;DR: It’s OK to dislike a style of clothing. I think “suits” is kind of a broad category — if you said “Patagonia vests” it might seem more natural to me due to the tech/finance association — but still it’s fine to dislike suits. I only object to being afraid of or pre-judging people by their clothes alone, and moreover encouraging others to do so. In conclusion, and to answer your last question, suits are definitely not SS uniforms.
Edit: OK upon re-reading your reply, I realize there’s a pretty big age-gap here. Know that I’m not criticizing your preferences and it’s fine to have feelings about clothes. My advice is just to give people you don’t know the benefit of the doubt and do your best to treat others with respect regardless of their appearance, because many will surprise you as friends, allies, even comrades. Best of luck.
Yeah I think you misunderstand me. Obviously I don't automatically assume everyone in a suit is pure evil. Just that they put me on edge. Talking to them can change that (although given the types of jobs that demand an expensive suit, I'm usually disappointed).
They just have a certain "aura" about them, you know? Something fake.
I just think they're neat!
I don't trust them either
Used to have the same thing, but honestly I don’t mind suits what’s more annoying about them is the amount of work you need to take care of them, like you have to iron the shirts etc if they don’t fit well you can also end up looking pretty goofy in them. A good suit can also last for a long time. I have no idea why they have to be the default uniform of the special boy capitalist class ( oh yeah I do the Labor reason I mentioned earlier hahaha)
I also just wanted to add that I almost never wear a suit, but I don’t really mind the concept.
My job requires me to dress corporate and I hate it lmao. I'm on the IT team, they stick us in the part of the building where customers never, ever go.