Firefox is the only way. : memes

[–] words_number@programming.dev 214 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Um actually... Opera and Edge weren't always based on chromium!

[–] LeTak@lemm.ee 97 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Chrome was not always based on chromeium. Chrome was based on Apple WebKit until 2013 when they forked WebKit and made the Blink engine.

[–] Dapado@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

Chromium was still the base before the WebKit/Blink fork. Chrome and Chromium were released simultaneously in 2008.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Opera was the shit back in the early days. It could pretend to be any other browser.

[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Can't you do that with any browser by changing the user agent?

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[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pre-Chromium Edge wasn't even that bad. Sure, the engine had its issues and there was probably a bit of Edge-specific JS on some websites, but I'm sure they would've eventually got there.

But seeing that even Microsoft abandoned making their own browser engine, it goes to show how complex it is to make one nowadays and with new web APIs/features coming out every few weeks it feels like, it's almost impossible to keep up.

[–] TAG@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)

But seeing that even Microsoft abandoned making their own browser engine, it goes to show how complex it is to make one nowadays and with new web APIs/features coming out every few weeks it feels like, it's almost impossible to keep up.

No, Microsoft is just historically bad at making browsers. It was not until Internet Explorer 7 that they finally implemented HTML 4 and CSS 2 without major glaring bugs.

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[–] MrSilkworm@lemmy.world 156 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Firefox with add-ons. Especially, but not only, Ublock Origin.

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[–] beckerist@lemmy.world 129 points 2 years ago (8 children)

This is why I've stuck with firefox through thick and thin

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Been using FF for about 2 decades now and I have never seen a single good reason to switch.

[–] EricKendrick@feddit.uk 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ditto. As much as people pretend Firefox is niche, it is the only browser with lineage back to the start of the web.

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[–] AncientBlueberry@lemmy.world 109 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Google accounts for some 80%+ of Mozilla’s revenue. Firefox struck a different kind of deal with the devil than chromium browsers, but Google is the one pulling the strings.

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 60 points 2 years ago

Bit of a weird thought, but I wonder also if they see Mozilla as a sort of controlled opposition too? As in, keep Firefox around so they don't get in trouble over antitrust or something like that?

[–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Could you expand on this

[–] gorysubparbagel@lemmy.world 72 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Google pays Mozilla in exchange for google being Firefox's default search engine

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[–] amycatgirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 101 points 2 years ago (26 children)

Brave, Vivaldi, Edge and other chromium browsers are forks of the main chromium project. They can decide whether to include or exclude features from mainstream chromium.

As far as I know, Brave and Vivaldi will keep Manifest V2 extension support and said that they will not ship WEI (Web Environment Integrity).

Discord uses a modified version of electron, and it's also probably an outdated fork as well, although I am not sure about that.

Steam, in the other hand, uses CEF, which they use as a way to render it's interface and as a replacement of VGUI (a good example of this is the steam game overlay), I don't know if they will ship WEI if it ever releases in chromium as there isn't a statement from Valve yet.

Sources:

ARSTechnica, Chrome's "Manifest V3" plan to limit ad-blocking extensions is delayed, https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/chrome-delays-plan-to-limit-ad-blockers-new-timeline-coming-in-march/
GHacks, Brave confirms it will support Manifest V2 extensions like uBlock Origin even after Chrome drops them, https://www.ghacks.net/2022/09/29/brave-browser-manifest-v2-extensions-after-v3-update/
Valve Developer Community Wiki, Chromium Embedded Framework, https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Chromium_Embedded_Framework
Github, Discord's Electron Fork, https://github.com/discord/electron

If I missed something, please tell me!

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[–] boeman@lemmy.world 82 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This feels weird to say.... I really think Microsoft should've stuck with trident / edgehtml.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why? Because you liked the greater browser diversity or because you think it made a better browser?

[–] boeman@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Diversity. MS had made great strides with EdgeHTML, but it was still pretty bad

But at least opening the browser didn't take all my ram.

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[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 23 points 2 years ago

It was actually one of the most W3C compliant browsers there is, more so than chromium based ones. Unfortunately google’s near monopoly has made websites focus on working in chrome, not on standards.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 62 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Wait STEAM AND DISCORD ARE CHROMIUM?

[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 65 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yep, just like slack, spotify, and anything else looking fancy while wasting few gigs of ram to just open. They're built on electron, which is practically chrome without tabs.

[–] qwertychomp@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I wish they could bring back mozilla prism. Like all this electron web app shit is popular, so we don't we use the faster and more efficient browser engine and use gecko!

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[–] boeman@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Visual studio code is chromium.

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[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Yeah, just wrappers. Steam wasn't untill fairly recently, but they were slowly switching to it for some time.

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 48 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Mozilla doesn't make it as easy to use the Firefox / Gecko engine in other projects, which doesn't help for adoption.

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[–] A10@kerala.party 47 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Firefox is kept alive by Google default search money AFAIK otherwise why don't they sue google for showing different search results page in firefox

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago

It’s sad. Google basically owns the internet

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[–] complacent_jerboa@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago (6 children)

wait, the steam browser is chromium? no way

[–] fidodo@lemm.ee 49 points 2 years ago

Basically every in app browser is.

[–] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 26 points 2 years ago (9 children)

How the fuck has everyone so easily allowed so few tech companies to dominate?

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That's just late stage capitalism.

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[–] exu@feditown.com 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Chromium/Electron is just super easy to integrate. Afaik Mozilla wanted to make Firefox more easily embedable as well, but that project was killed.

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[–] gamey@feddit.rocks 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I just wish Mozilla didn't just tread Gecko as part of Firefox, the few who tried developing on it came to the conclusion that it's not sustainable if the engines developer doesn't give a fuck about you! :/

[–] Ascend910@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Laughts in LibreWolf

[–] jungekatz@lib.lgbt 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Techically an FF fork !

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[–] bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It gets worse. All Electron applications are Chromium, too.

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[–] Maguz@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Firefox user since before it was called Firefox.

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[–] lewegee@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Be sure to install AdNauseam on your Firefox to really go full "fuck you" to google.

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[–] Resol@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Safari still uses the WebKit engine... right?

Google Chrome used to use WebKit before switching to their own weird engine that a whole bunch of other browsers now use.

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[–] MixedRaceHumanAI@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago

But... but... it's an open-source...

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 22 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Edge wasn’t always chromium. It was their own engine and it was great, but too many people complained essentially that it wasn’t chromium so they switched to chromium.

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