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Since the lemmy.world admins here are refusing to clarify their own rules, selectively enforcing their vague rules, using communities for user counts before banning them and just being, well, spez-like, it's time to find a new home.

So far, I am liking lemmy.ml, but I still have a list I am going through.

Where are you going?

Oh, before you go, make sure to file a CCPA or GDPR data deletion request. If they are so inclined to "stay legal", they can start with those items.

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[–] PartyCat@lemmy.best 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Start your own instance. Then it's the best™

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago

Not with this soggy sock running it.

[–] TheAndrewBrown@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lemm.ee has been working well for me, but I haven’t been paying too much attention to the admins. I mostly left lemmy.world because of the downtime

[–] OverfedRaccoon@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Yep, lemm.ee was my alt for when lemmy.world was down. Decided to go ahead and just make it my main account.

[–] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The vast majority of comments in here seem to be focused on the attitude of "why you trying to start shit"

But legitimately from an outside presiding perspective, which instances have people found to be decent, there seems to be a heap of Lemmy instances, each with their own rules and vibes, so what's the go?

[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The usual resource is to look at https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list, filter by 1m, and then have a look at the top 20.

spez-like

That's probably the biggest insult you can say ton any person on this platform

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[–] gabe@literature.cafe 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Neon@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

me on my way to join your instance

[–] gabe@literature.cafe 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You are more than welcome to! We have so.. much.. books.

[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I'd love that I could surf instances, from mobile apps.

[–] mar4e@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've chosen lemm.ee from the beginning. I like it so far.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Me too. Its better. No downtime, no arbritary defeds.

[–] ijeff@lemdro.id 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is new territory for most instance admin and a volunteer effort. If you haven't already, I'd encourage you to consider sharing constructive feedback with them as a first step instead.

As for finding new instances, it's generally recommended to visit https://join-lemmy.org/instances.

[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Interesting point to say they are spez-like while they just want to comply with local regulations

[–] remotelove@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They can do that! As a matter of fact, I support compliance with local regulations.

The problem is, they aren't. They are picking and choosing laws to follow. Their instance is located in Germany, but yet, their marijuana legalization laws are only in draft: https://www.forbes.com/sites/dariosabaghi/2023/07/10/germany-unveils-draft-bill-to-legalize-cannabis/?sh=5ed53b322726

They are using the justification that "some things are illegal in some countries" as grounds for community suspension, yet, they are picking and choosing.

[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The admins are Dutch. Marijuana is legal in the Netherlands.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The instance is in Germany from what I understand. Regardless, their justification was that shrooms are illegal in most places. That being their main point sets up the contradiction that I am referring to. It casts a bit of doubt on the intent and how to interpret rule 1.

The admins don't have to abide by their rules, but we do.

[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The real answer is to have multiple accounts spread around on different servers just in case one server goes tits up or bans content you like to see. You should be treating accounts here as having a limited shelf life anyway for good internet hygiene purposes.

[–] LennethBright@artemis.camp 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also so you don't lose your subscribed list. Though it's a huge pain here to set that up.

[–] Mobiuthuselah@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is there an efficient way to transfer lists between accounts?

[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I've seen a script or something being shared to do it but haven't used it myself as of yet.

[–] ahriboy@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

lemmy.dbzer0.com, this was founded by key people at r/piracy.

[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think it depends what you are looking for but I think a solid rule of thumb is to look at what communities you interact with the most and see what instances they belong to.

If piracy is specifically what you are after I'd go for dbzer0. If it's NSFW content that kind of complicates things.

I decided to give leminal.space a try and I like it. The admins are nice and quick to deal with issues and make posts about changes in the instance.

[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I was already considering switching over to kbin fully just because they're set up to interact with both Lemmy instances and Mastodon. Unfortunately the Mastodon side still feels a bit janky, but I'm hoping that'll change as time goes on.

Definitely not going to stay with an instance that pre-emptively bends over for corporate interests. That's one of the biggest reasons why I'm shifting away from Reddit in the first place.

[–] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Definitely not going to stay with an instance that pre-emptively bends over for corporate interests.

Which one are you thinking about? No instance has corporate interests AFAIK

[–] ShittyKopper@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No instance has corporate interests AFAIK

if you want to go "well technically..." there are some mastodon instances that are VC funded (mainly in japan, though i think there's like 1 or 2 in english), a few explicitly hosted by companies like vivaldi (the browser people) and medium, and misskey the software has built in support for running ads (though no western instance does that to the best of my knowledge)

none of them are lemmy, but they can all talk to each other

[–] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Lots of upcoming bug fixes and improvements for kbin. It's been a slow process but super keen to get them out finally

[–] otherbarry@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not "new" for me but I've been happy with lemmy.zip so far. Otherwise I'd be looking at https://sh.itjust.works or just work my way down the list at https://lemmyverse.net/?order=active

[–] cowfodder@unilem.org 4 points 2 years ago

lewy.world

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[–] TruTollTroll@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I'm just happy to find a reddit alternative. Reddit decided to ban my account because I had two linked accounts and both accounts made a comment on the same post accidentally, because I forgot my main profile has already commented.. I got perma banned for what they said was cheating the system?!?! I made a two new emails and two new accounts and instantly banned on those too... Dude I was and am pissed, because my accounts were four years old with great interactions and subs... With no recourse to appeal... Found Lemmy.world by chance, today.. and so far I am really happy with it. I saw that the app Boost will be coming out with its own app to host lemmt and I am all for it.

[–] ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Wow. People are salty that lemmy.world wants to stay legal? Interesting...

Is this because of the recent defederation from piracy instances?

This instance is a "open to everyone" instance.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

lemm.ee is pretty great (may be biased), you should try kbin.earth, its compatible with lemmy!

[–] InternetTubes@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You say a lot of things, but do you have evidence of them? Or is it just related to them doing what's actually required to avoid giving the people DDoSing them another means of taking them down, fake DMCAs based on communities hosted in other instances that promote breaking the law?

And before anyone gets any idea, if they tried doing the same because they are mad, expect for it to backfire. Spectacularly. As in you might want to think of moving directly into the servers hosting those communities. And that's not a threat, that's because anyone with a brain can read, specially those in the legal world who have jobs because there is literally a separate aspect of legal proceedings involved collecting evidence called discovery where lots of people with brains are able to read and understand the same conversations you and me are able to understand for instances that might indicate aiding, abetting, and collusion and discern them from the false accusations thereof.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hope in real life you don't come across as as much of a dick as you do here

[–] InternetTubes@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a dick who makes wild claims yet provides no evidence of them?

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, that does factor into it quite heavily.

[–] InternetTubes@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Well, considering they just decided to ban my account and delete all of my content on their server without even a warning for simply criticizing their terms of conduct, I guess you were right and I was an idiot for defending them.

[–] eroc1990@lemmy.parastor.net -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You pay their legal fees in full, then, if someone comes after them because of the content make available via their site. Or host your own instance and stop bitching.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's illegal to talk about piracy and shrooms? I can see posts getting deleted for directly trafficking in pirated stuff or if someone was trying to openly sell sketchy drugs.

Anything that is allowed on this site could be a target for legal action. Even their unverified access to porn is grounds for legal action in most places.

You need to look at the complete picture of the bias that is involved.

[–] eroc1990@lemmy.parastor.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's still their community for which they were the administrators. Don't like their administrative decisions? Don't use their instance. Then you aren't beholden to their guidelines but still get to participate in communities resident to that home server.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I am on other instances. The problem is that they are, like it or not, the first impression that new users get of Lemmy and the rest of the federation.

beholden to their guidelines

I am all for that! They need to properly define those guidelines. While it is "their" instance, the intent is for it to be publicly accessible. Continuity with their own guidelines is kind of important to help this space grow as a public instance. I don't care what those guidelines are, just make them consistent.