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Could be that civilians don't want to be near them because they are scared. Russian soldiers returning from Ukraine are committing all sorts of violent crimes.
I mean would YOU want to be within 20' feet of someone who has a high likelihood of being drunk, suffering from PTSD, and a member of an especially violent and brutal military force?
Don't forget that they might be rapists and murderers.
Plus they rape. A lot.
“You go on the metro, and people stare at you because you wear a uniform. Again, I didn't go voluntarily, I received a summons and came to the military enlistment office.
At this point I had some sympathy.
I didn't run away or hide like you. I acted like a law-abiding citizen. But when I come on holiday, they point fingers at me,” the soldier said.
And then he lost my sympathy.
It's like certain problems we have in the US, just with different players.
When "law abiding" is placed before basic ethics, problems like these arise. It's also, sometimes (maybe not here) a smokescreen people use to justify their unethical behavior.
People like to use things like "I didn't make the rules" to justify bullshit - while actively enforcing them.
“I was just obeying orders” - sounds familiar.
Yeah, draft dodging means maybe losing your freedom and the ability to provide for your children, which is a shit situation to be put in.
But the choice is between poverty and fucking murder. Your choice sucks, but you choose to be a monster. I spare my sympathy for those who choose to be not-murderers.
But at the same time, they are absolutely being fed propaganda and don’t have an accurate view of what is going on in Ukraine.
That is a valid point. I personally can't accept it changing the situation, but I won't hold it against anyone that do.
I wanted to say they know how things are in reality, but suddenly remembered teacher in my school. Yep, some of them are completely brainwashed. Mostly those who will not be drafted. Either by being too old or having non-draftable sex(it would be funny if I'll get banned for this).
As Ekaterina Schulman says: this is unusual war. War is what Yong do, but this one is war of Old/Elders.
I read an interview of locals from an Ukrainian village that got invaded - the Russians rolled in and asked the locals "where are the Nazis? Lead us to them!", and were surprised that the locals just asked them to leave, instead of cheering for their "liberation ".
So the propaganda certainly reached the military, at least.
Draft dodging is probably worse in Russia.
I mean, I can have sympathy for any soldier that's being forced to be a soldier. But the reality is, that sympathy dries up pretty quickly when it comes out that while being a soldier they're rapists and war criminals. At certain point 'just following orders' is no longer a valid excuse... and you reach that point long before raping civilian women or PoWs. or... you know... you're own troops while in a combat situation....
If a fascist hands you a gun and tells you to murder a bunch of people so that he can get wealthier and more powerful, you shoot him and ask those people for asylum. Anything else makes you a fascist too.
Counterpoint: fuck going to a Russian prison.
I think there is 1:1 model of Russian prison cell somewhere in Netherlands. At least the type of cell where Navalny is held.
On the other there are rumors about people who commited crimes only to be found guilty and not being drafted as result, but they are rumors.
It's also not a defence. They don't have to follow orders.
They can just turn up get recruited and then surrender to Ukraine at the earliest safe opportunity if they want to. Plenty others have.
It is not patriotic to fight a unjust war, it is not patriotic to just do what you're told without thinking.
Killing and raping is frowned upon? Really?
Nah, more like, look at that idiot who was too dumb to dodge the draft.
I bet some people give dirty looks because they believe soldiers should die in the trenches protecting mother Russia and not ride the metro in Moscow with privileged Moscovites
The article below this is titled "Russian Soldier Proudly Admits to Killing POWs"
You know, entirely unrelated....
Russian people are changing their minds it seems.
There's a reason they've been trying to avoid drafting soldiers from Moscow/major metro areas. They're intentionally pulling more people from the ethnic minority rural regions. Problem is, they're running out of soldiers...
Same applies to police for last ten years
Police choose to be police, aren't many of the Russian soldiers drafted or forced to serve at this point?
You are correct, many of them conscripted, and even those who was on contract before after mobilization started their contracts became perpetual.
And police not only choose to be police, but also choose to beat students.
You can still refuse to be drafted, you'll likely go into prison, but that's a better option than murdering people.
Nah, more than 10 for sure. There's anti police slurs coming from as early as the 80-90s, like "Musora" which is a plural form of "trash"
Not just in Moscow, Vatnik.
Can't imagine why...
oh no russian solders get spat upon in their home land. anyway...
The day we all start to see military with disgust it's the day wars will stop
Even the Ukraine defenders?
If it really is “we all” who come to this realization, there won’t be anything to defend Ukraine against.
War won't ever stop. It's part of the human condition. Some persons and groups of people will always feel entitled to what others have on the basis of relative standing as viewed from thier viewpoint.
Didn't stop Vietnam and those vets still get treated like shit
Place for tanks is in museums,
Let them rust in quiet,
Even as toys
They should be forgotten.
My bad attempt to translate ELYSIUM - Tanks.
