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Fairphone 5 Launch (inv.tux.pizza)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world to c/android@lemmy.world
 

From their newsletter:

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The Fairphone 5 comes with a 50MP selfie camera, a 50MP main camera with a finely tuned Sony lens, and a 50MP ultrawide camera for that perfect, cinematic shot.

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Packing a unique, long-life Qualcomm Octa-core chipset, the Fairphone 5 comes with clean Android 13, zero bloatware and at least five major software updates. That’s future-proof!

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The Fairphone 5’s modular design makes it super easy to repair by yourself. Add to that a five year warranty that’s twice the industry standard. The Fairphone 5 is definitely built to last.

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The Fairphone 5 is made with 70% fair and recycled materials in fair factories under fair working conditions and is a 100% electronic waste neutral. That’s fair!

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[–] aluminium@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (6 children)

No headphone jack on this type of device is unreal. I am still using my AKG Earbuds I got with my S8 which are now 5 years old. Meanwhile ask the first gen Airpod consoomers how they are doing.

[–] root@aussie.zone 24 points 2 years ago

Exactly. I still cannot fathom why a company which prides itself on sustainability ditch the headphone jack. Granted, I don't use the one on my phone often, but I'm very glad that it's there when I need it.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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I dont know about the premium earbuds but as far as the cheap shit ones go wireless are longer lasting simply beacuse they dont have a wire that gets ripped off regulary. Still dosent excuse the removal of headphone jack tho.

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[–] Mannimarco@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No headphone jack no sale, it makes zero sense not having one

[–] Vaderhoff@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Genuine question, but for the common user, why should a phone have a headphone jack?

[–] Zardoz@lemmy.world 69 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

Can't speak for everyone but here are the reasons I prefer an actual jack:

  • 3.5mm headphones are extremely universal and can be used for any audio device. USB-C and Bluetooth headphones cannot

  • Bluetooth is extremely inconsistent when paired with multiple devices and often gets disconnected because of competing devices

  • I can't charge my phone and listen to USB c headphones at the same time

  • Manufacturers claim the removal of the jack was to improve the water resistance. I have never dropped my phone in water and would be willing to risk it.

  • I already have too many wireless things to charge

  • I have a small stockpile of broken wireless headphones. Meanwhile my 10 year old wired headphones are collecting dust

  • I have never lost something more often than that tiny ass USB to 3.5mm dongle adapter

  • I distrust large corporations with incentive to get consumers to buy more stuff from them

[–] skybox@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Don't forget Bluetooth has absolutely shit audio quality while using the microphone with how it handles call audio (although I'm praying BLE audio fixes this). Also true wireless earbuds can't compare at all to wired earbuds microphones in the slightest.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well TBH, I have been exclusively using Bluetooth headsets for like 7 years now and I've had a good experience with that.

I would recommend either big clamshells (I use a rather expensive but awesome Bose 700) or necklace designs like my LG tone 800 hbs headsets (I got like 4 of those over the years). I bought a pair of extremely expensive Sony WM-1000XM 4 that suck donkey balls for a long list of reasons, but not Bluetooth.

Barring some connection issues sometimee, Bluetooth is really quite nice and allows me to walk around freely. I haven't missed the jack plugs ever, really.

[–] gbzm@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Genuinely, good for you. I don't want to switch to something more expensive, that probably wheighs more on the environment (batteries tend to do that), that I'll lose more easily, that can catch connecticity issues, that force me to turn on bluetooth... And that's okay we just have different priorities. What bugs me is only yours ever seem to be catered to nowadays, even though mine don't seem particularly rare and you can ignore jack plugs easier than I can listen to music while plugged on my external battery

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[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Manufacturers claim the removal of the jack was to improve the water resistance. I have never dropped my phone in water and would be willing to risk it.

Let us not forget that S7 and S7 Edge had headphone jack and were waterproof.

[–] Intralexical@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Let us not forget that S7 and S7 Edge had headphone jack and were waterproof.

Not user-disassemblable, much less Lego-style modular, though. Easy to make something "waterproof" when you can just seal it shut with "gooey black adhesive".

I personally think the headphone jack is a wonderful truly universal and effectively completely open standard that's very good at what it does, and which furthermore is doubly useful as a generic power and analog signal delivery mechanism, while mandating its supposed successors like Bluetooth and USB-C needlessly and massively inflates the technical and material cost of just playing a dang sound file. You could get serviceable wired headphones that last forever for like $5 if you were lucky; Nowadays, you pay at least ten times that for fragile lithium batteries and circuitry that will break in a couple years, and I really don't like this trend of taking away capabilities for less robust alternatives while portraying it as innovating.

But I also actually use my Bluetooth headphones way more than my wired ones, and I appreciate the potential engineering and market challenges in what Fairphone is trying to do here.

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[–] andyMFK@reddthat.com 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

....to plug headphones in. How is this a genuine question?

People still use their phones to listen to music and wireless earphones are almost universally garbage, require charging, and produce insane amounts of e-waste. Wired headphones don't have these issues

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[–] hypelightfly@kbin.social 30 points 2 years ago

For headphones.

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Cars with wired input. More reliable than Bluetooth and not annoying when it connects when you don't want to.

[–] egonallanon@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fairphone do sell a type c to 3.5mm adapter you can use. Or just grab a cheap one off somewhere online.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago

To have a convenient cheap set of earbuds that keep working, never need any charging nor can be lost.

You can find those everywhere for like 5€, if you don't get them for free with certain devices.

I still have a couple laying around that have never been used.

I don't get battery operated devices for things that don't stray further than 1 meter from the device they are connected to.

[–] suny@literature.cafe 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

USB-C dongles are notoriously prone to breaking and also are another bunch of silicon and plastic that contributes to e-waste pollution.

though truth be told, most phone 3.5mm outputs suck donkey balls because of massive output impedance and signal to noise ratio on sensitive headphones (of which most portable audio devices are) and companies should be ashamed of putting these hunks of shit in their phones.

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[–] noname_yet2077@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm gonna buy it. Since it's gonna be my first Fairphone and first phone I'll buy new; I'm excited :)

I just wish they made Fairbuds XL in those new colors (I mean blue and translusive)

[–] original_reader@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Fairbuds. The most important reason I will not support this model. Forcing me into their ecosystem by removing the headphone jack should not be what this company stands for. It is literally against their philosophy.

Bring back the jack.

If they do, we are talking again.

[–] MSids@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Although I agree with you that the headphone jack should be brought back, I dont think it's fair to say they're forcing you into their ecosystem.

Apple making apple watches only work with iPhones is forcing you into their ecosystem, but with this phone you can use any Bluetooth headphones.

[–] original_reader@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

OK, that's fair.

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[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

6.46 inch display is too big for me. I'm desperate to find something with a 6" screen but it seems 6.1" appears to be the size most manufacturers are going for.

This phone looks like something I could dig though.

[–] Bortbort@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have the Z fold. I love the big screens!

[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

I don't mind big screens but they are hard to use with one hand and in the pocket they are too big.

I didn't realise it until later on in its life, but the Pixel 5 was the perfect phone size for me. I hear the Pixel 8 is going to be smaller but the rumor is it has a 6.1" display.

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[–] freeearth@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Informative, and unfortunate.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did they at least use their own keys when signing the operating system this time? I like what they're doing creating a fairer supply chain and all, but the software side keeps being neglected. So much so I'm regretting my purchase of the fairphone 4 and instead wish I had gotten a phone which placed more significance to the security of the OS installed.

[–] Fake4000@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Would you be able give me more details of the issues faced in your previous phone?

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately I don't have the time to give a writeup. Its mostly the lack of timely security updates. Or really most updates to the OS. They lag months behind and are of poor quality.

I switched to DivestOS to mitigate this but the installation procedure carries the risk of bricking your phone, in a way other phones don't.

The most telling example of the poor quality of software security I think is that the OS is signed with publicly available test keys. This means that anyone with access to your phone could install any OS they want and you would not know it.

This is maybe not a high risk scenario for most, unless you give your phone to some dodgy repair shop, but its telling of how little thought went into it I think. Because, signing your OS with the android test keys should really not happen in a production with good QC.

[–] root@aussie.zone 9 points 2 years ago

Hopefully in the years to come they'll slowly reduce the size of the phone. 162mm tall is just too big for comfortable single hand usage.

[–] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hope it gets a US release with antenna designed for US networks

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

US FP4 user here, I ordered the EU model and had it shipped over, works well enough, minor radio issues and a lack of carriers (Im locked to T-mobile). Im very excited for the US release as I can then recommend the phone to others who dont have to pay the adopters tax.

Hmm.. worth a thought

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

So, can I use their camera app on a custom rom, and retain access to all the features of all the lenses/cameras?

Would be a shame to lose all that.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago

This actually looks pretty nice. I'm going to need something to replace my OnePlus 6T when it eventually needs replacing. Shame there's no smaller version though.

[–] VO0RHAMER@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

It already has an entry on the postmarketos wiki https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Fairphone_5_(fairphone-fp5)

Does anyone have an idea if there is a chance that the FP5 will work better on Linux than the FP4? If it gets on par with the OP6 but with a functional camera I will buy this phone in a heartbeat.

The processer looks good, since it has Linux support, but usually it's the device drivers that are the real problem.

[–] yoppa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Fairphone 4 is sold and supported in the NA by Murena (maker of /e/OS):

I hope at some point they will carry Fairphone 5 as well.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Ever since version 3 of their phone I've been considering one of these but my needs are slightly different. But I love the idea of having such a flexible device.

[–] RoverRacecar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I thought the fairphone 4 was getting official support for Ubports, but I haven't heard about it in a while.

Was really hoping that would come true and that we could see the fruits bear of ubports be on a modern spec'd device.

[–] LoganNineFingers@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Yes, up to 2 terrabytes capacity i believe.

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