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[–] KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca 69 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thousand times this. For actual builders that care about the nuance it all probably makes sense but then there is me over here looking at pre-builts wondering why the fuck are two seemingly identical machines have a $500 difference between them.

I'm spending so much time pouring through spec sheets to find "oh the non-z version discombobulator means this cheaper one is gonna be trash in three years when I can afford to upgrade to a 6megadong tri-actor unit".

I'm in this weird state of to cheap to buy a Mac and can't be arsed to build my own.

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[–] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 34 points 7 months ago

For very broad definitions of “convention”

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 28 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Just don't rent one from NZXT.

[–] arc@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I saw a video on Gamers Nexus about how shitty a company they are. Hopefully word spreads amongst gamers & builders that they're no good and they should be avoided.

[–] fishbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What's the deal with them? Only NZXT component i've had is my current case, which has awful airflow (old model of H710 I think, bought 5 ish years ago).

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 27 points 7 months ago

I recently had to go through this maze. I hate it. And I'm glad that my PCs tend to live ~10y, this means that I'm not doing it again in the foreseeable future.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

60% or 60 percentage points ?

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't that be the same thing with no other percentages in sight because we're subtracting from 100%?

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[–] CTDummy@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Fortunately there are resources that make a good starting point because I agree; naming schemes are a shit show. I generally start with this and go from there research wise. https://www.logicalincrements.com/

[–] skibidi@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'd be very careful relying on that site.. just flipped through some of the build and it was very strange.

E.g. they were recommending a $500 or $900 CASE at the highest tiers - not even good cases, you can get something less than half the price with better performance. They recommended a single pcie 4.0 SSD and a SPINNING HARD DRIVE for a motherboard with pcie 5.0 m2 slots. Recommending CPU coolers that are far, far in excess of requirements (a 3x140mm radiator for a 100W chip? Nonsense). Memory recommendations for AMD builds are also sus - DDR5 6000 CL30 is what those cups do best with, they were recommending DDR5600 CL32 kits for no reason.

Just strange.. makes me question the rest of their recommendations.

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Mind you, recommending a PCIe 4.0 SSD is the one part that makes sense. Right now very few people will gain noticeable benefits from a PCIe 5.0 SSD, AFAIK. The rest though... yikes.

[–] skibidi@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The price differential doesn't really exist anymore, though. If they were recommending 4TB, then I'd agree (only a few 4TB 5.0 and they are quite pricey), but at 2TB you're looking at like $10 difference between something like the MP700 and the SN850X they recommend (not counting all the black Friday sales going on).

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Ah, good to know. Thanks.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

...I just the other day ordered all the components to make the first "Extremist" tier build, nearly verbatim.

I guess I made some of the right choices, then.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (8 children)
[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Make sure to get your 5900x3d with your 7900XTX. Note that one is a CPU and the other is a GPU. For extra fun, their numbers should eventually overlap given their respective incrementation schemes. The 5900x3d is the successor to the 5900xd, which is a major step down in performance even though it has more cores.

I'm gonna give this award to Intel, which has increased the numbers on their CPU line by 1000 every generation since before the 2008 housing crash.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's so annoying when you buy a GPU instead of a CPU.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Or when you buy a GPU inside of your CPU.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

They already do overlap, 7000 series CPUs have been out for a while. As have the 5000 series GPUs.

[–] captn0blivious@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

...don't worry, I'm sure Intel won't change things up on us... right? (Just pretend the last year of Intel CPUs didn't happen)

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 13 points 7 months ago

Honestly my preferred manufacturer since I started putting together my own machines.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You still need to understand their naming convention if you plan on comparing hardware.

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[–] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Just ordered another CPU from them. Downside is that there isn't any modern AMD desktop platform that works with coreboot, which seems to be the only workable way to deactivate the Management Engine/Platform Security Processor after boot.

Was really considering to swap to Intel for that, but got a good deal on a Ryzen 9 that fits in my socket, so...

[–] Infernal_pizza@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Is there anything from the last 10 years that runs coreboot?

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[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Power consumption is part of the equation now too. You'll often see newer generation hardware that has comparable performance to a last gen model but is a lot more power efficient.

[–] eyeon@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Or you'll see something equally efficient and equally performing at the same power levels..except you'll see newer gens or upgraded skus allowed to pull more power

[–] chickenf622@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I always go by the rule of the larger the number/more letters the better. The exception being M that usually means it's made for mobile devices.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

i'll trade you my geforce 9500 for your 4090.

[–] chickenf622@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ok maybe also look at the year the card was released too.

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[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The other exception being monitors, which are named by connecting three keyboards to one computer and then rolling a bowling ball across all three.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 10 points 7 months ago

No one really knows how that method was established, but it's industry standard now.

[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

I just go by PassMarks rating for CPU and GPU. It may not be the most nuanced rating, but it does give numbers that can be easily compared.

[–] arc@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I occasionally "refresh" my PC with new board, CPU etc. I never buy the top of the line stuff and quite honestly there is little reason to. Games are designed to play perfectly well on mid range computers even if you have to turn off some graphics option that enables some slight improvement in the image quality.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I agree. Another good trick: Don't buy a 4K screen. GPU's work for much longer that way.

[–] kerf@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

For many games you can set graphics rendering to for example 1080p but run the whole game in 4k so text, menues and so on are super crisp but the game still runs very light. But maybe it's good advice to never even start because I can't imagine going back to 1080p after using 2k and 4k screens

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago

They periodically run out of integers so they have to reuse old ones.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

And it sucks! Sorry, I mean it SUX.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 4 points 7 months ago

I'm going to buy an entry level motherboard ...

[–] natecox@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This is what keeps me from being a pc gamer.

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

i mean dumb naming schemes isn't just a PC thing. Remember how the Xbox 360 is 359 faster than the Xbox One

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Don't buy the Xbox One X, that's old, you need the Xbox Series X ffs so obvious!

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

USB 3.2 gen 1

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago

Intel used to have decent naming...

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