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Just to compare, this is the utopian dream for Toronto:

There are approx. 18 cars and trucks in that image.

They are taking up SIGNIFICANTLY more space, and are causing traffic.

Still, we keep saying, "give us more of this, please!".

Insanity or stupidity?

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[–] jessca@lemmy.ca 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Canadian checking in. A bike will never be a replacement for a truck (the best kind of vehicle for city driving) until the front basket can be mounted high enough that the rider cannot see a child in front of them.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago

Pff, who needs a high basket to not see children, when you can just look down at your phone like everyone else? Rookie 😎

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[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 16 points 5 months ago (8 children)

This is A bicycle parking lot at the main station in Utrecht. Now imagine to replace this amount of bycyles with cars and how much space this would take up. However, I still believe, that this is just a bicycle exchange station. You just leave your bicycle there and just grab another one when you leave. You ain't gonna find your bicycle anyways in this huge pile of bicycle.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's a temporal bike park. Yes we do find our bikes back, it's an innate skill.

Most modern bike parkings are two story:

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

IIRC it's no longer true, but there was a time when the largest bicycle parking in the world was at Utrecht Centraal (the central train station).

The second-largest bicycle parking was on the other side of that same station.

[–] teije9@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 months ago

actually, we somehow do

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 14 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Unpopular opinion: getting rid of cars is good, but if you've ever been to the streets of Amsterdam, it's a bike nightmare.

Streets are generally narrow, so bikers form a neverending swarm and barely regard the pedestrians. From a bikers' perspective, you're constantly riding in a flow, so you can't really afford to stop or turn over for a break.

Amsterdam should either figure out how to manage that flow, or expand the public transportation like buses and trams - which are really the most compact ways to drive people around.

[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Having cyclists all around comes with all sorts of unwritten rules, people need to get used to it for it to function properly. Amsterdam has a lot of tourist that aren't used to the bicycle-culture, don't know the unwritten rules, and at the same time to local populace expects them to, so that causes problems. You'll notice that other dutch cities like Utrecht and Groningen have it figured out much better, have a far smoother experience, but perhaps have it easier because there are less tourists.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No matter how you cut it, I'd rather be hit or nearly hit by a cyclist than by a F150.

Driving comes with WRITTEN rules and drivers can't even seem to follow them like full stops at stop signs or pedestrians having the right of way at crossings. At least with a bicycle if some rules are ignored by either side the risks are far less deadly.

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[–] b_n@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

As a person who regularly cycles through Amsterdam (even the centre), the issus is tourist pedestrians. The city does a bare minimum to cater for these travellers, because most of the visits are temporal.

As a cyclist and/or pedestrian, I am never frustrated by locals cycling or walking.

The rule is "its harder for a cyclist to stop than a pedestrian, so be predictable with where you are going and we'll all avoid an accident".

The flow people you walk about is a problem for travellers, not for locals.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

And how would that nightmare be if everyone was in a car?

Amsterdam doesn't have much of a bicycle issue, really.

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[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I saw a YouTube comment on a cyclists video claiming Toronto to be "the anti-car capital of the world". If toronto is an anti-car city, i would hate to see how a "pro-car" city looks to them....

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

LOL. Putting in a bike lane makes any city "anti-car", if your only perspective is seeing the city through your metal cage 😂

But really, a pro car city is probably 20 lanes for every road with no sidewalks at all. Everyone is miserable, and traffic doesn't move. 🤭

[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I unironically live in a place with no sidewalks, it sucks so much

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

I call those places "hostile to pedestrians".

We have a few areas in my municipality that lack sidewalks, and they are in places where people work or take their kids to dance lessons. 😵

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[–] kindenough@kbin.earth 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Now I want to eat Falafel. These Maoz guys made awesome falafel back in the ‘90s when I lived there.

These big American trucks are infesting our roads now too. They are technally not street legal because they are not measured to the same enviromental and safety standards compared to a European car for some reason beyond me.

The EU has not done anything yet, but there are many enviromental groups pressing the EU on getting these trucks banned.

Importing these trucks (and any truck) without paying any vehicle tax registration is getting cancelled in 2025 here in the Netherlands so let’s hope these trucks will get the fuck off our roads. This law was kind of a loop hole to import these trucks for cheap.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 9 points 5 months ago

Quite a few of those ghastly RAM trucks where I am up in the mountains

If they find out it's me that's sticking the "Fuck your environment, I'm compensating for my micropenis" stickers on them, I'm fucking dead

Cheap as fuck on AliExpress

[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Would love to own a moped, but it stands out too much in a sea of cars to not get stolen

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Apparently, using a cover while it's locked up can significantly reduce theft.

This is the strategy that "Cargo bike momma" uses with her cargo bike, in New York City... and she's a professor of criminology, so I trust her judgment when it comes to these things! LOL

[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I believe it has to do with the fact that it slows the thief down, so they consider it too risky

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

Yup. It causes the bike to blend into the surroundings, so it's not as noticeable. But it creates a barrier that thieves just don't want to deal with.

The covers thatI have even feature large grommets for your lock or a chain to go through. You couldn't even peek under the cover to see what's there, unless you removed the lock.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The other thing we do here is have many more cars than people. I live in a neighborhood where basically everyone has two spots per unit in their attached garage...many, many people spend a lot of their time trying to avoid parking tickets because they have to park their 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th cars somewhere else.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago

So, so, sooo much wasted money. I've got neighbours like that... one car for each family member. And none are driving outside the city on a regular basis.

[–] teije9@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 months ago

the Netherlands is so great! the train station near me has a giant bike parking garage, and only like 10 car spots, which are made just for bringing and picking up people. And from then its less than an hour to get from anywhere in the 'randstad', the part of the Netherlands with most cities, to another.

also, most Dutch neighbourhoods (/suburbs) have a single lane road which is also used by the bikers, meaning the cars are forced to go only as fast as the bikers.

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