cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36672698
Source: https://xkcd.com/1683/
this post was submitted on 30 Jan 2025
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I've always thought that argument only works as long as data is free or close to free. Once it incurs a cost, I think copies end up getting removed. I think it's fundamentally flawed to say the internet will never forget.
The media on the internet will all eventually be behind a paywall. It seems like we're heading in that direction.
That seems to imply everything you're willing to pay for would still be accessible. That's just not the case I think. Things dissappear full stop, also if you do want to pay for it.
A lot of non super popular, not very internationally known media eventually disappears into non-accessible copies in private collections: hard drives, non public accessible computers etc and at the same time becomes nearly impossible to purchase or otherwise retrieve online. For example public broadcasters in Europe: they don't want to put in the money and effort to preserve their entire archives, they don't make everything from the past accessible, things do get lost in their archives (sometimes as a conscious choice) and at the same time it is illegal for private people to archive it... until it is too late. For example lots and lots of radio plays are probably already lost forever.
Ironically this is original data we are viewing now.
Well it wasn't even posted on your instance, so you're already just viewing a thirdhand copy of it
Despite that its still the same actual bits of data
It's identical, but it's not the same bits
yes it is. all electrons are just the same one moving very fast.
Heh, heh...
The Bits of Theseus
Trying not to spoil it but this is a plot point in a relatively famous, relatively recent sci-fi book, where the characters need to record a warning that lasts for millennia. They end up carving it into the rock of Pluto since all other data mediums would fail over that timespan.
That sounds like a great book, if only I new what it was called.
Three Body Problem
Ah nice. That's already on my list. I did see the Netflix series.
I do not know of this movie, but your description reminded me of the most excellent read Deep Time, by Gregory Benford. Didn't consider other planets though, as this is actually a non-fiction work.
Good luck finding the raw original video of anything these days. The amount of 3gp an rm files that used to float around compared to the reactionary emoji text bs you see today. Get off my lawn.
Only downside is that only data that people care about right now is being saved. But what seems useless now might become valuable in the future. It's hard to grasp how much data has been forgotten on some old computers, or some CDs, or websites that have gone dark.
It's hard to imagine how much data is lost on old notepads, journals, even personal voice recordings.
I want my journal to die with me. It's got a lot of painfully honest stuff that could hurt the people I love.
I really hope the Internet Archive survive their lawsuits. They're important not just for archival of websites (the Wayback Machine) but also of books, audio recordings, etc. There's a large amount of old content that's only archived at the Internet Archive.
About that... we could record someone's every word and different people would read entirely different things into it. Consider how strangers have reacted to your own internet comments.
Ray Bradbury famously directly told people they were interpreting Fahrenheit 451 wrong while he was alive and they still didn't believe it
Bradbury just complained that people were gonna stop buying his books. He gripes in multiple books that people dont read anymore since that's how he made money.
Needs more jpeg.
Perfection. But we could deep fry it a bit.
Needs more 9gag logos
Storing data for decades or even centuries is a difficult thing. But the problem isn't the storage it's the data format!
Who knows if a person 300 years from now has a program that can open .png or .jpg? Or the dreaded .doc and .xls that even Microsoft has problems with today. This poor future fellow probably won't have the capatibilities and might need a few years or decades to develop a reader app.
.txt ftw
You could archive a description of the file format alongside the files. Maybe a pseudocode implementation too, or actual code (although who knows which programming languages will exist 300 years from now).
Or the dreaded .doc and .xls that even Microsoft has problems with today.
The US Library of Congress recommends archiving data in SQLite databases, since it's a simple, well-documented format, SQLite is public domain, and SQLite devs have promised to support it for a long time and retain backwards compatibility indefinitely.
CSV and TSV are okay too of course, but it's often much easier to deal with large datasets if they're in an actual database format.
I like how /u/gofsckyourself didn’t show up with a higher quality version.
See, that's why I started using JPEG-XL for long-term storage. Apart from being better in every aspect for lossless and near-lossless still images than any competitor, the generation loss even over 1000 lossy save and load cycles is negligible.
That really doesn't matter when someone screenshots your JPEG-XL and posts it in a website that transcodes it to WEBP and adds a water mark.
But converting from a format to another is a lossy process. It's best to just keep whatever original format you have, unless you are creating the images yourself.
I believe jpeg xl allows lossless conversion from common jpeg
9gag
That's a name I haven't heard in a while.