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[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (5 children)

'lore accurate mods'

it's a fictional work, the only thing it has to be accurate to is itself!

[–] charlie@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

It’s such a reactionary dog whistle. I used to be one of those “lore accurate” nerds for Tolkein. But for stuff like, “It’s Dwarves, not Dwarfs, that was intentional by Tolkein so we should use Dwarves as the plural.”

When I saw the same nerds I used to argue unimportant shit like that with turn around and say “The elves can’t be black and I’m not racist it’s just the lore” I ran out of there so fast.

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[–] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it used to mean "this doesn't have thomas the tank engine or anime characters in it"

now it usually means "no gay stuff"

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago

I'll be cold dead in the ground before I recognize "Macho Man Randy Savage dragons" are not lore accurate.

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

its wild

for one the official lore of faerun is so jumbled and often contradictory over the years that you could almost say anything about it and it would be true according to one official source of another

on the other hand because the lore is a cooperative element of each table who is actively playing the game and thereby writing it as they go along anything you like is lore accurate because you are one of the writers of the lore yourself as a player and a gm

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

it's a fictional work, the only thing it has to be accurate to is itself!

Earlier versions of that fiction are likely to have more us-foreign-policy

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm more interested in 'based mods' in this context

Mods to make female characters more scantily clad and have shittier stats (also no black people) would be my bet as to what this mouth breather considers 'based'

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[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Lore accurate mods probably means adding boobs to lizards and making black people white if I had to guess (yes both exist) gamer-gulag

[–] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago (4 children)

One of the coolest things about reptiles is gender ambiguity. No boobs, they have a genital slit and many of them have a retractable penis, sometimes two. Some female reptiles and choose whether or not to get pregnant and/or store cum for later. Imagine how interesting a society like that would be, and what kinds of gender roles, relationship norms, and such would shake out.

That’s the kind of stuff fantasy could really explore. Turning them into people with scales, keeping the obvious secondary sexual characteristics, is fucking boring and played out.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

many of them have a retractable penis

che-no

sometimes two

nicholson-yes

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yes, unfortunately a lot of big fictional worlds lack creativity. When it comes to making sapient species, Egyptian god -looking anthros are the most interesting thing they can produce.

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

To be honest, it's just easier for the devs when every character in the game can use the same equipment and animations

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

This is definitely true for computer games, and is also a major factor in television and film. But you also see it in illustration and literature where the only limit is one's own (apparently very limited) imagination.

[–] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

Morrowind made the Argonians different and not able to wear boots before taking the easy way out in the next two games.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Those who are against lizard boobs are against me

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Noticer? Morel ike notice deez nuts

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's funny because they're trying to come up with a term that's equal to woke but isn't woke.

"noticer" or "vigilant" or some other synonym for woke that isn't "asleep"

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 years ago

Hey daddy-o, are you hep to the space lasers?

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lore Accurate Dungeons and Dragons? A world built specifically to be a storytelling framework for custom stories?

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (4 children)

they're a gygaxhead for sure

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Real D&Dheads know that the Forgotten Realms setting was written by Ed Greenwood to be weird and horny.

[–] EmotionalSupportLancet@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fun fact: bisexual is the default in Faerun according to Greenwood.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago

Then I judge BG3 to be lore-accurate.

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[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even Gygax wasn't terribly orthodox. The setting was a grab bag of high fantasy, lovecraftian horror, steampunk alt-history, and Greek tragedy.

He never had a problem throwing a goblin, a minotaur, a vampire, and a robot in the same dungeon.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i'm not talking about his orthodoxy, i'm suggesting that someone wanting to make baldur's gate 3 "non-woke" and "lore accurate," they're dogwhistling towards the reactionary elements of gygax's setting of dnd, of which there are many

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[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Gygax pill me please. Didn't he want you to only be able to play as humans? What other wonderful chauvinisms did he have?

[–] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Gygax on alignment:

Paladins are not stupid, and in general there is no rule of Lawful Good against killing enemies. The old adage about nits making lice applies. Also, as I have often noted, a paladin can freely dispatch prisoners of Evil alignment that have surrendered and renounced that alignment in favor of Lawful Good. They are then sent on to their reward before they can backslide.

[…]

Chivington might have been quoted as saying "nits make lice," but he is certainly not the first one to make such an observation as it is an observable fact. If you have read the account of wooden Leg, a warrior of the Cheyenne tribe that fought against Custer et al., he dispassionately noted killing an enemy squaw for the reason in question.”

Love to use historical genocidal racism as a basis for a morality system! Its apolitical though, you’re not allowed to have reservations about an admitted racist representing certain peoples as inherently evil and worthy of extermination. That’s not even getting into DnD portrayals of “darkest Africa” and “the mysterious Orient”

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah, that's about what I expected. And the Forgotten Realms, which Baldur's Gate takes place in, is decades old and built on these same racist foundations. And a lot of it gets unquestioned. Goblins are still ontologically evil in the game and it's always OK to kill them, and the concept of "surrender" does not exist. The Orientalist shit is all canon to the world, but they're loathe to retcon it so instead they just ignore it. Meanwhile D&D as a system took forever to realize that maybe races shouldn't be evil by their very nature but then they proceed to create fantasy British people enslaving monkey people in the year of Juche 111. agony

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[–] Zrc@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

crackerus-foreign-policy "noticing some issues with the lore here"

[–] ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

noticer

Fash dogwhistle vibes

[–] Cascadia_@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

because it is one

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[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

These dorks are so media illiterate that it would be a miracle if they noticed anything.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to notice wokeness. The signs are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of noticing theory most of these signs will go over a typical viewer's head.

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

you need a high wq

wokeness quotient

[–] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Truly a prestigious title, noticer. Surely this must be the most skilled of the illusive noticers. The noticest if you will.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not going to lie, I read that as "nouncer"

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

based mods and lore accurate mods

That means us-foreign-policy and awooga like in the Witcherino.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There was literally a mod to make Wyll white because they can't handle the existence of dark-skinned people in a cosmopolitan metropolis with Renaissance-level tech

Motherfuckers don't even know about Reasonable Blackman

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reasonable Blackman

That name would fit right in on a Bojack Horseman style "look at how much our shit sucks" presentation of our times.

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[–] underisk@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

This story about agency, hierarchy and its relationship to authority is totally apolitical when you ignore the gay relationships and minority representation.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Noticer" apparently means "waiting to find something to get reactionary about." grill-broke

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[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That obsession with dyed hair always gets me. Are they hiring managers for Starbucks in 2008 or something?

[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

Probably cognitive dissonance, they're super attracted to colored hair women, but they tend to be too progressive for them.

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