This is like the gen alpha version of “MSNBC beats out Fox as most viewed cable news network” headlines from 2017
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Yes, but that also like never happened. Fox was always dominant.
It definitely did?
Edit: apparently only for brief periods. If you consider his first term overall, Fox did dominate
I would fucking love that if it were true but it most certainly is not
https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/cable-news/
I think it was just for like a week or two so it wouldn't necessarily show up in the yearly averages in those charts.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maddieberg/2017/07/25/msnbc-beat-fox-because-it-covered-the-news/
Thanks for the link. It does seem that there is a correlation between News media that leans toward the minority party getting a bump in eyeballs.
I thought that was the point of the original comment, even.
I thought that was the point of the original comment, even.
Is your point that no one listens to podcasts? Because they do.
Why would he mean that? They appear to be the two most-watched cable news channels in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC
In the fourth quarter of 2023, MSNBC was the second most-watched cable news network in the U.S., averaging 792,000 total day viewers, behind rival Fox News, which averaged 1.212 million viewers, and ahead of CNN, which averaged 502,000 viewers
Also, man, that surprises me. I thought that CNN was the largest. I was expecting Fox to be second-largest and MSNBC to be in the top five or something.
Maybe I'm just really out-of-date.
Just trying to figure out what they meant. Cable news is on the downswing so that was my guess
Oh, gotcha.
Yeah, actually, I mean, I know that it was losing viewers, but I'm also kind of surprised that the numbers are that low, now that I think about it, if that's "viewers" and not "households viewing".
It looks like 2010 was the beginning of the decline.
I think I last had cable service somewhere around 2004.
Yeah I think I had cable until about 2014. But for about 8-10 years before that my cable company literally gave me a discount for taking cable with my Internet. I basically never watched it but I'm not paying extra to lose that option.
No surprise that it aligns with the proliferation of smartphones.
Pretty sure they weren't implying anything behind it, just that it is similar to what happened back then but with Fox vs MSNBC. People shifting more into left once again, will have to wait and see if it will be major shift.
Non-children listen to these podcasts?
I'm just depressed that Rogan's podcast was nr 1.
Yeah, I legitimately don't understand it. I used to like his show back around 2016-2017sh time frame. Back then, he usually just had well known comedians on and shot the shit and it was funny. Hell, he'd even have cool scientists on discussing new research they were doing that he found interesting. He'd have the occasional fringe topic, e.g. UFOs, conspiracies, etc., but it was always done in an entertaining way and wasn't overly political.
I don't know what the hell happened, but around 2019/2020 he just went way to the far right and became a giant piece of shit. I haven't listened to his garbage show in years.
Money is what happened.
Same, freaking crazy. 2016-2017 it was awesome, he was actually progressive too, podcast was dope af, had all kinds of cool people on and conversations. Now it's just pathetic
Im not american, so i don't know the american lore. Was he "bought" or something? I also heard a few of his podcasts back in the day and it was pretty good.
It’s been number one for over a decade. Think about what that means for our society.
Oh hey I didn't know Meidas Touch had a podcast, I've been watching them on youtube for a while.
Fuck him.and allnhis bs missinformstion. He exploited ignorance to be rich.. he could care less about truth.
Not necessarily "anti-trump", just "pro-democracy". Just happens that pro-democracy is inherently anti-trump
Great to see it.
I fucking loved listening to Joe for probably a decade, but I haven’t listened to a single ep since December.
That Trump, Vance, Gabbard, Musk run was a stunning indicator to me that he is now bought and sold, and his pods are scripted, which is a complete 180’ on why I liked him.
He used to be genuine and a centrist. Not anymore.
I am interested in why it took you that long, he has been heavily right wing long before Dec and even last year? I also used to listen to him when he was progressive, but he went full MAGA a while ago
I guess I didn’t see him as scripted or paid-for until that 4-guest GOP-a-thon, then it was blindingly obvious (and I’m not American, so I don’t even care about your politics).
I liked Joe because he never appeared to have any agenda, usually saw, or at least humoured both sides of an argument, and right or wrong (yes, he was plenty wrong), he was always at least genuine.
Now, he’s just a 3-hour long commercial.
How do they count podcast downloads? Do my downloads using Audiobookshelf count?
Can't wait to hear his response to this on the next podcast.
I can. I’ll listen to MeidasTouch’s take on his response instead.