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A European Parliament member claimed that the U.S. gave Europe three weeks to agree on Ukraine's "surrender" terms or risk an American withdrawal from Europe.

Mika Aaltola made the claim on X, but provided no evidence. NBC News reported that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth suggested a U.S. troop reduction in Europe.

Trump reportedly plans to cut 20,000 troops and demand greater NATO contributions. He has pushed for higher NATO defense spending.

Trump may meet with Putin soon, believing Russia holds the upper hand in negotiations.

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[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 185 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

In a post on X, formerly Twitter, Finland's Mika Aaltola of the European People's Party claimed that the U.S. "has given us three weeks to agree on terms for Ukraine's surrender," referring to a proposed peace deal aimed at ending the war.

"If we don't, the United States will withdraw from Europe," Aaltola added.

Trump is demanding that Europe hand Ukraine to Russia, or he will hand Europe to Russia. This man is not working for the good of the USA or its traditional allies. He is working against them, destroying Europe, NATO and the USA for the sake of himself, Vladimir Putin and a few Nazi billionaires.

And clearly when he threatens Europe like that they should not for a minute believe that he will not hand them over to Russia if they do what he says. Given that, Europe should tell him to get lost.

[–] Kallioapina@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 5 months ago

To be fair, Mika Aaltola is known in Finland as a noted populist and doomsayer that has a flair for the dramatic. His foreign policy predictions have also been pretty much all wrong since before the start of war in Ukraine.

I'd take anything he says or leaks with a big spoon of salt.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 146 points 5 months ago (32 children)

Russia is losing in Ukraine but some how in the Orange Turds mind Russia is wining. Russia has the upper hand with their Puppet in the USA.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 134 points 5 months ago (2 children)

No no, he doesn't think that Russia is winning, he wants Russia to win.

[–] Dragomus@lemmy.world 69 points 5 months ago (4 children)

He needs Russia to win...

Because Putin demands it of him to force it that way.

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[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago

It would set a good precedent for his plans with Canada and Greenland.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

Russia has the upper hand in Trump's ass.

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[–] khannie@lemmy.world 116 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean, we've all already assumed US capitulation and cessation of any alliance tbh. It only took about two weeks.

Jog on.

Best of luck with China and that supply chain. They're looking at how you're throwing Ukraine under the bus and thinking "Oh hell yes".

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)
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[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 89 points 5 months ago (1 children)

risk an American withdrawal from Europe.

Why is this a threat? Is there a reason Europe would want a hostile country to remain there?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. We need to prepare to defend Greenland from the US. Having 100.000 enemy troops stationed all over the continent who need to be contained first makes it practically impossible.

And now the mask is finally peeling off. The US bases around the world are not their to defend the countries they are in. They are there to defend the US interests. This should be obvious to anyone, who can read just a little bit of history, but better late than never.

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[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 80 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Any American willing to fight Europe is a piece of shit, especially if it’s your job.

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 77 points 5 months ago

Fuck him. First, he'll do what we wants regardless of whether you concede to his demands. If we wants to withdraw troops, he'll withdraw them, no matter what concessions you make to him in hopes of preventing that. Look at his history. Look at how he has treated the other party in Every. Single. One. of the "deals" that he's made. He fucks them over. NEVER believe he'll hold up his side of whatever bargain you make. He won't.

Don't ever concede to this bully. The more you concede, the more demands he'll make, like with a blackmailer. Call his bluff. Say, "Sorry, we don't agree. If that means you'll withdraw, then don't let the screen door hit ya where the good lord split ya on the way out." Bam! End of bullying and if he didn't want to withdraw, he'll find some excuse no to go through with it (or probably just lie and say you agreed to do something for him behind the scenes).

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 68 points 5 months ago (26 children)

He's gonna withdraw anyways...he works for you Putin. They are ramping for WW3 with the world vs USA/Russia/China..fucked up to put us with Russia but here we are.

[–] Dragomus@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yeah he'll withdraw troops and NATO support no matter how things go in Europe ...

He'll need more armyboots at home defending his regime ... also needs to recoup costs due to losing out on tax income and tariff lies. Then there is this thing where he wants to give Putin this favor of dismantling NATO.

So, his demand was 2% in 2017 ... and countries are exceeding that, Poland is already spending more than even the US, and Germany is climbing, so he upped it to 5% to get the excuse of the US backing out.

Even if they meet 5%, in a few years he'll up it further.

Ofcourse for now he'll assume the NATO members still feel bound to keep supplying intelligence information and buy American weaponry, even if NATO falls apart.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The other four of the Five Eyes should be having a rethink. Maybe there are worse things than losing an eye.

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[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Has China given an indication they're allied with the US? This is an earnest question.

[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think it's more trump / Putin and Putin/ Winnie the Pooh so they are just all friends

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

it's a lot like the tripartite pact. three fascist military governments are agreeing to non-compete terms. they are not allies. they are merely not enemies

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[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 14 points 5 months ago

Japan and Germany were strange bedfellows the last time this all happened, if you'll recall.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and all that.

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[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 62 points 5 months ago

Do it! I dare you! Fuck of from europe! Take all your companies with you! Dont sell us weapons anymore!

Democracie is none negotiatable and we dont negotiate with terrorist acomplices!

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 61 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Call his bluff.

American soft power around the globe relies on having those bases on foreign soil.

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[–] Skua@kbin.earth 47 points 5 months ago (3 children)

risk an American withdrawal from Europe.

Do it, coward

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Boy do I wish the EU and the UK would sign an agreement to cut all trade immediately with the U.S. and force the isolation this bafoon pretends they want. Prices will skyrocket everywhere, but the number of dumb Trump followers will fall off a cliff and he would be forced to step down by the oligarchs he surrounded himself with. The market would crash for certain.

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Idk anymore. The maga handlers have complete control of the maga cult media machine. I could imagine this happening, and right media spinning up a lie that maga eats up. "Biden did this with the Democrats!" He encouraged a coup that was recorded, and people all but forgot about it.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (5 children)

They can lie all they want. No trade means inflation. Inflation means markets crashing. It can't be stopped without spreading wealth oligarchs don't want to share with those in need. When people starve, they will murder rampantly to stay alive.

Most of the rich are smart enough to know they only stay rich if the people stay peaceful and mildly satiated. You don't want to lock yourself in with 250,000,000 starving people with guns.

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Yeah, well we didn't vote for him. He can keep his lunacy for his subjects.

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[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago (6 children)

If any European country bows down to Donald, I’ll boycott it for the rest of my life

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[–] twelvegoats@lemm.ee 37 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Being an American that feels like they no longer have a home, I would like Europe to unleash holy hell upon the US. Do not let this fascicle president dictate what you do for your continent. You were fine before we took over swaths of your countries for their bases, you can be the strong leaders that the West need to fight everything that's going on in your vicinity with Russia, North Korea, and any other rogue nation. I hate to say it, but the US is a part of that sentence as well. The US will not protect you anymore, I have absolutely no faith that the US will step up when you need them the most. Protect yourselves.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago

And I give trump three weeks to vacate the white House and the presidency.

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What would be the purpose of US support in Europe if not defending against Russia?

The US presence in Europe exists to facilitate US power projection, if we are not stopping Russian advancement then there is no reason for host countries to allow US bases in their territory.

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[–] realitista@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Time for Europe to man up and show the middle finger.

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[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Even if we were to agree to those demands, there is no garantie they would actually help in defense of us!

We had to defend them when they called articel 5 but wont do the same for us!

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I really hope the rest of the world leaders keep this at the forefront of their mind: Trump doesn't keep his word. Also, Trump doesn't pay his debts.

Attempting to make ANY deal with him is foolish. The wisest move is to expect him to screw over anyone who attempts to "work with" him, because unless you're holding his purse strings, he'll use you and lose you at his soonest opportunity. He is a cancer cell stealing resources from all the healthy cells around him - expect him to give nothing and take everything for his own gain.

I know to some that is "preaching to the choir," but living in the U.S. at a time like this, I really don't know who's been charmed by his BS vs who can see what's really going on. I imagine those outside the U.S. have better perspective, but I can't just expect people to be rational anymore.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Trump is gambling with monopoly money.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The European NATO members should tell the AmeriKans they have 3 weeks to shutdown all their military bases until Jan 2029.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 months ago

Nah. Keep them closed forever. We dont need the traitor alliance

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 15 points 5 months ago

Also known as "pig hitler"

[–] frezik@midwest.social 20 points 5 months ago

Art of the deal. Plan A is to give three weeks to sign off on the surrender. When they refuse, Plan B starts. Plan B is that there is no Plan B.

[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

We need regime change in the USA. The global community should work together for this endeavor.

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[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Or... Trump can pull the us military out of Europe, Canada joins the EU, and we seize American and russian assets to build a truly massive army.

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Is that recent picture?

Dude may not have three weeks.

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