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I grew up listening to fundie christian parents babble at length how we were living in end times. And mocking them mercilessly (at first among my fiends, later to their faces) as often as possible.

Now look at us - on the brink of non-existence politically, environmentally, and civilizationally. Not sure that last one is a word.

If they were right I'm gonna have some 'splainin to do.

Dammit.

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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 203 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's more that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

"The world will hate you," so you're antisocial and hateful in preparation. They do hate me! It's all true!

"There will be wars and rumors of wars," so you vote for the defense hawks supporting the military complex. So many wars! It's all true!

"They won't even tolerate your views, they'll try to outlaw it!" So you try to ban them first. It's all true!

Why protect the temporary environment when you have eternal paradise waiting? Why do ANYTHING meaningful here when you have eternal paradise waiting.

tl;dr: Death cult. Projection.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you spend your life wanting to see the end, eventually you will.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Not only that, but these bad things HAVE TO HAPPEN before the good things can come to pass. That's the order of operations. Which leads to seeing the bad things and thinking, "YES!!! It's haaaappeniiiiing!!!"

You literally welcome disaster, because it proves you right, rather than working to prevent it.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

It’s all just food prep for the Archons.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 68 points 2 months ago (1 children)

yeah but its all going downhill because of people like them. christians are complicit in the demise of democracy.

theyre causing their own doom so they can point it out. if they didnt exist, the world would be a better place.

theres a great meme somewhere where the rapture happens and the world is an amazingly better place for it.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Self proclaimed "Christians" don't necessarily represent the true beliefs.

James 1:27

"Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world."

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

religion is itself a slippery slope greased with fantasy and hope created by men. when their major tomes require interpretation, any meaning useful to the con artist can be derived.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

99% of different interpretations don't cause that big of a difference, though. The broad important part of the faith remains the same. Usually the divide is mainly on church governance and management, as well as ceremonies, the science of how covenants work, etc. I grew up in a Baptist church, and it was quite common to have Anglican and Presbyterian ministers preaching there. I have been to Anglican churches where Roman Catholics were preaching and ecumenical services as well. We agree on 90% of stuff.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

every religion was created by man to control man. to give credence to the slippery slope of divinity is to allow the eventual removal of responsibility from human beings.

religion is a disease, even if 'mostly benign'.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 2 months ago

That's a very shallow and uninformed view to how religions start and their origins

[–] aramova 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Just sayin. These fools are walking right into it.

[–] ghostrider2112@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I’ve read their book several times. Take some comfort from the fact that if they are right, all of them are on the side they thought they were against.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

You must have skipped the Old Testament

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nobody is righteous. The only reason people are saved is through grace.

[–] ghostrider2112@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, and they don’t get saved by trying to anticipate the end times and leading others astray.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The book states 'no one knows when' several times; even in Revelations, the book literally about end times.

And there are many times in modern human history that people were sure it had kicked off. But it didn't and things just got better again. It's like our thing to almost wipe ourselves out but miserably kick on for another day.

We only just appeared here anyway so we'll likely disappear just as recently as well and some other living thing will have its turn, and so on, and so on, until the sun takes out the atmosphere and then the planet. And fin.

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[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If we're walking into oblivion it's because the christofascists are leading us there. It will be their self fulfilling prophecy.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Personally, if I die only to find out that the Tyrant is real, I'll gladly walk into hell before I kneel my way into heaven. Fuck their narcissistic, cruel, inhuman monster of a god.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago

I would expect in that case "hell" is just a lie anyway, like an abuser telling you you can't live without them. It's classic controlling behaviour.

Realising that helped me walk away from the whole thing: Why are we told hell exists if it isn't real? Control.

[–] ColeD@lemm.ee 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't confuse coincidence for causation. For hundreds of years, people have been harping about the " end times." No 'splaining needed friend.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

More likely hundreds of thousands of years, as long as humans have existed and been able to communicate that to each other.

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

Yes it's a death cult and we're locked in the basement.

[–] TTH4P@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

America isn't the world. It's just a regime that will fall because of shortsightedness. If your Christian parents only think of the world as "America", then I don't think you owe them anything?

[–] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

I'm going to make a point here, and I hope I am wrong, but I don't think I am. If America falls apart, I think it will be the first one, not the only one. The influence America exerts on much of the rest of the world is huge, and the pressures on many other nations to follow any collapse with one of their own would be difficult to stop. Not just influence culturally, but economically, including but not limited to agriculture. Removing the agricultural influence provided by America alone will be devastating for much of the world (including non-agrarian parts America).

[–] segabased@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 months ago

Self fulfilling prophecy. It's a doomsday cult and they're trying to bring the end times instead of waiting

When they said we're living in the end times it wasn't a prediction it was a threat

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The oldest human writings are lost to history. But we can be assured that they bitterly complained about the young generation and predicted that the world would end soon.

Sooner or later, one of the kooks will be right by coincidence.

[–] the_q@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I hope the rapture comes and takes all the good people to heaven so us evil doers can live out or lives not knowing the grace of God!

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

If that happens imma stay up late and eat cookies

[–] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] Subtracty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Exactly what I came here to say.

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[–] Ugurcan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There’s a conspiracy talk in local mid-eastern/muslim bubbles that Evangelicals seizing every opportunity to team up with Zionists to bring the Rapture as soon as possible.

The talk’s been around since Ottoman times so it’s easy to dismiss, but given between apathy to Israel state’s genocide and Trump’s fast start to his secondary term gives me chills no lie.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Christofascists are wrong because they don't recognize themselves and their cult leaders as a primary cause of doomsday, but rather they promote some poorly interpreted, wacky hallucinations from a dude in a desert 2000 years ago.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah... That's not what "right" means.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It was always going to end. And I'd rather be there for it than be born in some other boring and eventless time. Unfortunately, as exciting as times are, I think there's still quite a while to go and we won't be around for it. But you can still enjoy all that's happening now; sure is a lot!

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

May you live in interesting times.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

If the entire world dies for any of those reasons, it’s humanity’s own damn fault. There will be nothing supernatural about it. You won’t owe anyone any kind of explanation.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's not too late to re-evaluate your beliefs tbh. I don't subscribe to the same brand of Christianity as my parents or as what you see happening in the USA, but you can actually have Christ without a lot of that mad fundie stuff, and incorporate into a more rational belief system. I recommend checking out InspiringPhilosophy on YouTube, he has a pretty rational way of explaining the faith. Or I am not rational at all because I still believe in a "skyfairy" according to internet atheists. Just don't think that being a mad fundie is the only way to be a Christian or necessary to receive forgiveness from God.

[–] werty@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I don't know why anyone needs forgiveness from god. Seems to me that god is the one who needs to be forgiven for creating all this suffering.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The common “internet atheist” drives me nuts. Such arrogance! Such stubbornness! I will proudly yell “I DON’T KNOW!” from the highest mountaintop, and remain open minded.

Thanks for the YouTube recommendation!

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[–] Lvdwsn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

If you have the time, I highly recommend the book “American Apocalypse” by Matthew Avery Sutton. Really digs into the history of this whole thing and helps you realize just HOW MUCH of this shit is truly self fulfilling prophecy. I’m currently working up the courage to gift it to my highly evangelical family and forcing them to read it.

[–] Likwidkat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I highly recommend the song Apocalypticism by Moon Walker

https://youtu.be/cnkH7_AA_AA

Apocalypticism - a doctrine concerning an imminent end of the world and an ensuing general resurrection and final judgment

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Well, they're not right if they were harping on "Jesus is coming again!" but other than that, I too might owe Mom & Dad and apology.

More clearly than ever in my life, I can see the end — the end of me, the end of America (whatever that really was), and the end of everything. It's all so clear, it's difficult to see anything else, even when I turn away.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

The political craziness is a direct symptom of knowing country/planet is unsustainable. Full desperation to believe anyone that tells you pillaging the world for oligarchy is bestest future somehow.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Btw, what made you think we weren't living in the end times?

Edit: Ok i might have to do some explaining.

The way i understand it, we're living in exactly the time period (1800 - 2050?) where people basically figure out all about technology. That puts us in the very special position that we can choose what the future looks like. Such a situation has never been there before. In some sense, god lives on the inside; it's us who will permanently transform the world into its final state. That is the "second coming" and "end times".

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