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[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 107 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Whoever coined the phrase "it's not my job to educate you" is top of my rogues gallery. If you want democracy to succeed, it is literally your job to educate everyone you can about the things you are passionate about and the changes you wish to see. I get where it came from, I understand the feeling, but it's the worst possible phrase in the context of trying to make a political change.

[–] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

“It’s not my job to educate you” led to Prager University

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 month ago

If you don't, someone else will.

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[–] BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I feel like a lot of progressive vocabulary words get used outside the contexts where they apply.

"It's not my job to educate you" is a fair and valid thing to say when someone demands you defend the validity of your identity while you're just trying to live your life. It's unreasonable to expect every trans person to explain the history and complexity of gender to every chud who gives them shit.

It is, however, the opposite of activism and super unhelpful for an activist to say while ostensibly trying to build a movement.

Similarly, "mansplaining" is not a blanket term for any man explaining anything, listening to a friend vent is not "emotional labor", and participating in cultures other than the one you grew up in is not "cultural appropriation". All real terms that point at real problems, all sometimes used outside the contexts in which they are helpful.

[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Gaslighting is another often misused term. It's not just a blanket term for lying, it is a specific type of lie.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah I mean I can understand not everyone wants to be an educator, especially of more ignorant people but when people say this I do wonder why they are even talking. I usually speak to people because I am interested in learning from them or because they’re interested in learning from me. This is the purpose of human communication. If you aren’t interested then the obvious solution is to stay silent.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I can understand not everyone wants to be an educator, especially of more ignorant people but when people say this I do wonder why they are even talking.

Exactly. If you're not willing to try and educate someone you disagree with, insulting them is no substitute (in fact it's pretty much the worst course of action re the presumed desired result), just keep quiet, or alternatively go talk to others who already agree with you so you can stroke each other's egos, lol.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 91 points 1 month ago (29 children)
[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

yeah the identical styles get old real fast

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Its also the weapon of the enemy.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 69 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Imperfect Allies Aren't Enemies

  • Critique to build, not tear down
  • Organize, don't just argue
  • Movements win, not individuals
  • Perfection is the enemy of progress
  • Ego kills movements
  • Plan for the long game
  • Meet people where they are
  • Power doesn't care about feelings
  • Division is a weapon used by elites, don't play along
[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 month ago

Thank you for annotating the post. Bumping engagement with my comment.

[–] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I'd be more likely to listen if this weren't next to an AI Gen otter

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 29 points 1 month ago

Another sepia toned AI comic.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Yea I haven't even read the message, the second I saw the text wobble I came to the comments to see who else has already called it out.

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[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

However, you have to be careful that your movement doesn't get infiltrated, because that will hurt your movement. You have to be careful who you are walking with, and what their end goals are.

Don't protest for a better health care system with people that are antiscientific. Don't protest for a free Palestine together with antisemitic people. Do not let them blur your message.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I really wish my fellow "progressives" would get it through their heads how deeply true it is that perfection is the enemy of progress. It's supremely ironic that so many people who say they value freedom and individuality are so ABSOLUTELY intolerant of any slight deviations from what they see as moral perfection and adherence to doctrines. It's like you're either a hundred percent right or ten thousand percent wrong, and even suggesting there can be an in-between is being "complicit". Lighten the fuck up or we'll never get anywhere.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

The incessant purity testing is completely exhausting and aggravatingly frustrating.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is 100% something a few people here on Lemmy need to see.

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[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 month ago (8 children)

That sounds like something an enemy would say, right before they disagree with my objectively correct opinion about some minor thing and reveal their true nature.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 month ago

I feel personally attacked by your vague statement and therefore see you as an enemy for life

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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This for everytime some one suggests an idea. It's not your job to snipe it because it's too lofty an idea. If it's a good idea, help hold it up.

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[–] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 22 points 1 month ago (5 children)

This!!

I see people shaming others for using Proton etc. It's not perfect sure, but it's a step in the right direction away from google.

Any step in the right direction should be praised.

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[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

People on lemmy retort stuff like this with "If you talk to a nazi, you ARE a nazi".

Meanwhile it's just some dude who likes sourdough.

Honestly we have more in common than we think - on the left we just happen to "eat our own" so to speak.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No, it's not about simply talking to a nazi. It's about engaging withvthem as if they are an honest actor. IF they are a true nazi (BIG 'if' with how utterly ignorant Americans are), they will only use your honest engagement to at best waste your time, and at worst further spread their hateful propaganda.

If you're engaging with an actual nazi/far right dingdong, this holds true. If you're engaging with some idiot who has only up to now heard nazi talking points, it is not true. It is about providing a platform for nazis, not about talking to idiots.

[–] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago

And it gets complicated, because bad actors use this to make spaces for cult behaviour.

Not just nazi specifically, but if you have spammers/bots you can effectively destroy any moderately nuanced progressive space by adding intentional offensive voices in the group, and at reactive voices outside the group calling the original members x/y and pointing at the bots in the group as evidence. Progressive voices will leave to avoid the association, while actual bigots will hear that it is another space for them. By the end, it's like it was always a bigot space, and the original points and nuance never existed.

Beware divisive propaganda, but also don't accept actual intentional bigots to invade a space. If they proudly wear their bigotry, let them know it's not socially tolerated. They are a cancer if enabled.

If someone says they interact with a space to try and stop it from turning into a bigot space, maybe that's not actually your enemy.

Been fighting cult building propaganda for two decades and now I'm just yelling that the emperor has no clothes. It makes me happy to see people at least engaging with the topic, without calling me a nazi for trying to stop the spread of Nazis.

Also casual reminder that black Americans are Russia's biggest target. Self segregation is what they want, don't fall for divisive rhetoric. Be wary of real bigots, especially socially empowered ones. find people you can trust, and find solidarity. Don't feed the division between those who want to cooperate. Education, exposure, and communication are paramount.

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[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Nah dude, if you tolerate fascists in any space, they use that space to recruit and try to transform the space for their needs. I've heard this from renfaire folks, who had to drive the fascists out of the space to keep it sane. I've heard about this happening in work places too. You gotta organize with non-fascists and drive the fascists out of the space by being vocally and actively supportive of groups they despise.

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[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Like the Muslim voters in Michigan that voted for Trump because they didn't like Harris' support of Israel and then immediately had ICE breathing down their necks

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[–] stray@pawb.social 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

looks around the thread

I don't know why you felt the need to make a message like this, OP. We're all fully united and never quibble over inconsequential shit.

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 month ago

In this essay, I will outline how your post actually SUPPORTS the patriarchy…

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[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Also, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Never forget that even though we knew that Stalin was a vicious mass murderer of his own people, we allied with him to defeat Hitler, and it is highly unlikely that we could have done it without out them, or at least it would have taken us far longer, and cost many more lives.

We turned on each other the moment the war was over, but at least we could agree to put aside our differences for the time being.

It is likely that when it comes time to finally put down the rabid dog named MAGA once and for all, it is going to require allying with the Traditional GOP. I despise them with everything I have, and will want accountability when this is over, but if they are willing to assist us in purging MAGA from society, we are going to have to hold our noses and accept their help.

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[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (11 children)

WhY Do YoU SuPpOrT GeNoCiDe?

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (9 children)

LGBT folks got their ears on? Listening?

I've never felt friendlier, closer to a group of people and felt so much "fuck you die in a fire not enough!"

I will never stand against you, but it sure as fuck is hard being a friend.

(IRL, no problem. But online? Jesus fucking Christ what purity testing assholes.)

[–] Zentron@lemm.ee 20 points 1 month ago

Left wing groups in general tend to do a lot of purity testing online , offline is a whole different story... as a queer person it buggs me tf out of my mind that people do that

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[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Dear 50501 folks,

Every so often I check my messages at Facebook and noted there’s a big 50501 group there… any chance you could get that group to start educating their Facebook members that supporting Facebook means supporting the coup and fascism?

Just a thought, Wwe

[–] stray@pawb.social 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I get what you're saying, but if we sequester ourselves to niche spaces, how can we spread information? Isn't it important to reach Facebook users?

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[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 11 points 1 month ago

Unsure how this is supposed to help my bowels but thanks for sharing anyway! /j

On a serious note, yeah, this has been tricky for me to learn and internalise. Especially when the topics are close to home.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago (24 children)

"I can't vote for Harris! She was endorsed by Dick Cheney!"

By that logic, none of the people threatened by the Nazis should have accepted help from Imperialist England and racist USA.

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