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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 33 points 4 days ago

Open office, libre office.

[–] gradual@lemmings.world 16 points 4 days ago

Let this be a lesson to future communities.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

Lure them in, pull the rug, harvest profits.

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 132 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Bootstraps, folks! Microsoft is basically BEGGING you to try Linux, and it's now easier than ever - even easier than installing Windows!

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Unfortunately the inevitable enshitification of our lives by capitalism will continue, even if we remove it from our lives as much as we are able.

What microsoft does to its products, it also does to our governments and civil liberties, social media does to society and democracy, data brokers do to privacy, zillow does to housing security, wallstreet does to economic mobility and financial regulations, etc, etc, etc.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 115 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (22 children)

LibreOffice

And perfectly working software that covers whatever else MS365 offers, e.g. Thunderbird

I'd love for more people to change to Linux, but these are all (also) Windows software.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 33 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Yeah office isn’t the what orgs care about losing with this change. Business premium was the lowest cost license option available to non-profits that allowed access to identity management using entra.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

That’s the real story here.

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[–] Undaunted@feddit.org 25 points 6 days ago

And if you need it in a browser, there is Collabora, which exists as a paid business version with support or a free non-support version, that can easily be deployed with Nextcloud. Another alternative would be CryptPad.

If you also need your mails in your browser, there are multiple providers like mailbox.org that offer mail encryption even through the online mail interface.

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[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 47 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I wish I had fuck you money. I'd use it to bankroll the development of LibreOffice and all the other alternatives to MS365 and get them integrated. Then I'd start a massive training program to teach people how to use them.

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 38 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

The french government is kinda doing that right now

[–] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Libre le France

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

Bit of context:

As such, it is generously removing the ten licenses for Microsoft 365 Business Premium that it previously granted to non-profits. The replacement? "We are transitioning to provide up to 300 licenses of Microsoft 365 Business Basic and discounts of up to 75 percent on many Microsoft 365 offers to nonprofits."

One could argue that 300 free licenses of Business basic is better than 10 free licenses of Business Premium, especially if the non-profit has more than 10 employees.

A business premium nonprofit license is $5.50 per user per month, so to get it back for those 10 users it would cost them $660.

Business basic was $1 per user per month with the previous non-profit discount.

This means that any non-profit with 55 employees would be no worse off now, but any with more than 55 employees will be better off with the updated plan and discounts.

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[–] OwOhollyShiitake@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Actually I think this isn't exactly news. The university I go to, which is technically a foundation, had MS365 pulled last year IIRC and sent us all scrambling to find alternatives.

It didn't bother me too much because I had already fully transitioned to LibreOffice, but my classmates were furious because they didn't want to lose the "seamless online editing experience". I told them to either use LibreOffice or move to Google Docs, but they didn't like the idea and most (if not all) of them purchased MS365 subs. I unfortunately had to budge and get one too, because we needed to get some work done ASAP. I can't wait until I graduate (should be soon-ish?) to stop paying for that crap.

But yeah. IIRC they started by reducing the amount of storage the university got, meaning they had to quickly delete data from past classes (fortunately I managed to back up quite a bit), and then one day they suddenly sent everyone an email saying "you don't have access to MS365 anymore lol get fucked"

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

The university having M365 and the students having M365 are not the same thing. Students don’t subscribe to M365 Business because they need word or excel. Students would subscribe to M365 Family or Personal, or just buy office outright. Students get a huge discount too.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] OwOhollyShiitake@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Actually not in this particular case, the university had MS365 Business and gave us accounts in order for us to use the service. As soon as MS revoked access, we all lost access

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Actually not in this particular case, the university had MS365 Business and gave us accounts in order for us to use the service.

Sounds like this university was an absolute shitshow then.

[–] OwOhollyShiitake@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 3 points 4 days ago

So not Microsofts fault then :). Universities should not be using employee licenses for students.

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[–] drascus@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 days ago

Thankfully libreoffice

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 32 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Google offers workspace for free to nonprofits, Including device management. No one, I know in nonprofits even fucks with Microsoft because they’re so ridiculous. Now it’ll be even less people.

Google now has the market cornered because they aren’t as greedy.

[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Google is so fuckin greedy lmao

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yes, but it's essentially the difference between the greed of an ancient red wyrm, (Microsoft) and an adolescent white wyrm. (Alphabet)

The white guy is almost a cutie next to the red one. They're still both chromatic dragons, and therefore evil. One is just leaning more towards lawful evil, and the other seems to have embraced chaotic evil

[–] obvs@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Google offered Workspace free to individuals. I set that up and used it for my family, and then BAM! After a lomg time using it, they removed the free plan, once we were using it for logins for a bunch of sites and for our emails. Went from free to $50 per month. It took a LOT of effort to get my family off of that. Never again.

[–] CaliforniaSober@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 days ago

Ah cool Google. We’re all set then. Totally different…

[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hey remember when Google used to have a motto, "Don't be evil"?

Used to.

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 6 points 5 days ago

This article clearly states that this non-profit switched to MS specifically because Google changed their non-profit plans to be paid.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (9 children)

So that's why Gates said he would donate money once he dies

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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago

Yesterday, I finally talked my parents into canceling MS356 and switching to LibreOffice and Thunderbird.

Now, the excessive subscription fees for MS365 goes to them instead.

If Microsoft keeps this up, I might even manage to persuade them to switch to Linux at some point.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Microsoft has no soul. I'm going to guess that Google will follow suit. There is no class solidarity quite like corporate class solidarity. Fuck all these companies.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Yet again, I laugh, and remark 'People still use Windows? People still use MSFT products?'

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

Sadly. An example: I work at a small school that does not have an IT department. Staff and teachers are nearly IT-illiterate, and the students can hardly be coaxed to do stuff on a laptop instead of their phones. So installing Linux would add an additional hurdle for both. Probably much smaller than they think, but still: it heightens the threshold to even consider switching to Linux.

There's a few people who know that Linux is just as valid as Windows, but who would they trust to make the switch safely. Me? I'm not a professional. So they'd have to pay someone, properly. And then it all comes down to money again which usually comes down to "let's not change anything".

So for now I'd just be happy if they used LibreOffice instead of MS365.

The same goes for Google Workspace. Making the effort to roll your own (totally possible with FOSS) would require to pay at least 1 person, and some sort of transitional period. It's cheaper and easier to pay none and just blame it on Google when things don't work as desired. These people just don't see it as a priority. Don't understand the dangers.

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[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 days ago (10 children)

There's really no competitor for large orgs with robust technology needs.

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[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

lame. The web versions suck.

[–] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I thought from the headline that it was just a downgrade to Business Standard, no this is to Business Basic! That's a huge yikes, it's so much harder to be productive in those web versions.

I honestly would not be surprised if users work out installing LibreOffice et al. so they can still have a desktop app experience because of this move.

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[–] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

scream in John Malkovich's voice:

"FUCK MICROSOFT"

On the flip side, please keep digging yourself in a hole, Microsoft. More incentive to join Linux for us users.

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