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[–] ChristmasIslandZone@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago

I don't like to talk about politics. I also don't like working, cooking, taking the trash out, cleaning, etc. etc. I DO it, because it HAS to be done. There is no systemic good which comes that does not in some way come from participating in politics.

I don't talk politics with CERTAIN PEOPLE. People who engage in bad faith, whose highest political priority is fucking over someone else, rather than lifting everyone else up, who celebrate ignorance and cruelty. Any political ideology which is built on such foundational principles can be shut out of all political discussion by those with better, smarter, kinder ones.

Me and you might not agree on how to GET us there, but we share the goal of making things better and easier for the greatest number of people. If we don't, there's nothing to discuss, and so I won't talk politics with you.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I don't like talking about politics with Americans. They have their own political language that barely makes sense. It never gets anywhere because I think I'm just talking to whatever media or social media channels they got trained off.

One could be called a socialist, a capitalist, or even a Nazi depending on who's reading the comment, despite all being fundamentally insane conclusions to land on contextually.

I know you're certainly not all like that, but compared to the rest of the world, the percentages are much, much higher; enough to not even bother.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

I remember being in school and having posters with things like "Ask Why?" To encourage critical thinking.

I also remember it being controversial because kids should listen to their parents.

That controversy is the answer.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

As an American this is also why I don’t like talking to Americans about politics.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I avoid talking about with family members or friends, because they often discuss it from a very low information point, and is very adamant they are right, then they get mad if you try to debunk which is true or not. i know a family member that recently became a trumper and he gets hostile when asked why he voted/supported trump. basically he doesnt want to think about it as well.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Heh. You just made me remember there's a social stigma that political discourse is reserved for "the intellectuals"—it's bullshit—so by expressing different ideas or opinions, someone can feel as though it's first and foremost an attack on their intelligence.

We live in a society where people just constantly disrespect each other so we're so on guard that even the most respectful intentions don't have a chance of getting through. These days it's much harder to just talk and bounce ideas back and forth until a balance is found. We all have way more common ground than we do differences, but we don't act that way

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

its like a hoarders mentality, out of sight out of mind, once they made that decision, they dump thier stuff they accumulate somewhere and dont want to think about the consequences, and you know what happens if you confront a hoarder.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Americans tend to be kept from learning what socialism actually is, because then they might like it. I remember reading a 50’s World Book encyclopedia which essentially defined socialism as an autocratic dictatorship.

I was told in school that if you lived in a socialist society, your job was picked out for you, basically from birth.

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[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It means they don’t want to have heated arguments which no one is going to agree on either way. Especially not when the racist uncle is around.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

or arguing with a MAGAT who is low information,.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago (10 children)

People like this are the reason other people say they don't like politics.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

As a transgender man who was chased out of my profession, subsequently experienced an intensifying period of relationship violence, was unable to find any form of support or help (no domestic violence shelters, no low income legal support, nothing), and experienced physical abuse on the female ward when this broke my brain so much that I told the nice person on the crisis line I wanted to die -

My life is political. I’m driving around with a license that might not count anymore, despite having followed all of the rules to get it changed 10 years ago. I don’t get to opt out of politics. I’d love to! I’d love to do nothing but focus on my career and hobbies, enjoy art and relationships.

But I can’t. The world I live in is actively hostile to people like me. Politics invades my life.

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[–] arch@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I don't like to talk about politics because many people gets unreasonable when it comes to politics. So I basically lose the motivation to talk about it. That doesn't mean I lose all my opinions.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Some people think politics and personal lives are not only separable but are inherently separate ideas. They are wrong.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Everything is political" is a terrible way to convey that you should care about politics. It conflates the broadest dictionary definition of "politics" with the narrow, collaquial one, and it overwhelms the layman.

How about "take an interest in politics, or it'll take an interest in you?" It centers the interests of the individual you're conversing with, and doesn't leave the implication that politics should be the only thing they care about (contrarily, it posits caring about other things is why you should care about politics.) I see this phrase repeated within the Vtuber community, which is normally a very politics-resistant space, in light of tarrifs driving up merch prices.

[–] Turret3857 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is no phrase clever enough to convince any american who doesnt already say they care about politics to say they care about politics. The people who say this only care about themselves, and will not change until it directly affects them. What we should be striving for is ensuring it affects them.

My use of that phrase was inspired by it's use in the Vtuber community, a community that is normally extremely hostile to discussing politics (this is one of the things I like about it, but because I already spend a lot of time on politics, not because I'm running from it entirely) after it was affected by tarrifs. So yeah you're right about that.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It conflates the broadest dictionary definition of “politics” with the narrow, collaquial one

Actually, it completely erases the narrow, colloquial one. I think the colloquial definition of politics is completely unacceptable to use, and I refuse to legitimise it. Words have meanings and I'm going to treat people like they used the correct ones. If they have a problem with that, they can say what they mean instead of what they don't.

Treating politics like something you can escape is a microaggression against BIPOC people whose identities are politicised every day, and is therefore racist. I'm not going to legitimise racism. If people want to act like politics is avoidable, they can go do it at the klan rally.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A definition of a word that your audience doesn't understand is pointless. Language is defined from bottom up, not top down.

You'd better be nonwhite to be typing that second paragraph, because I'm not white either.

Telling me "everything is political" when my identity is politicized unfairly sounds more like an excuse for it than defending POC. You sound like you're making an excuse for culture warriors who bitch and moan whenever a non-white character shows up. LGBT people in my experience tend to correctly insist that their identities are not political. That makes more sense, it correctly puts the onus on the right wing assholes that politicized it.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

Everything is political. You can't win an argument with a bigot by saying your identity is political, because it's not true. We have to erase the stigma against politics. And you're not helping with that.

[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But England literally has a King

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who is no longer allowed to make decisions for the people.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No they are.

But if they ever use their theoretical power to go against the wishes of the people, there will be an instant revolution and we will burn their place down.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Give Fox news 30 years to rot their brains

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Sometimes i just no think good. I try to be involved but its really too big for me alone.

[–] kepix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

also true for a ton of countries

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People make decisions for you despite not living in a monarchy.

I didn’t decide to make Trump president, but it happened anyway, and no amount of talking about it will change that.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Talk to local revolutionary groups about insurrection.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What if you are let's say a legal migrant and can't vote. What then?

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