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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 85 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

College educated skilled worker. I already left. I'm not looking back. Thanks Trump for making me realize how much the US was holding me back

[–] BozeKnoflook@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yuuup. Trump getting elected once was the writing on the wall, I wasn't going to wait and hope he didn't manage to return to power. Turns out that was a great decision, the Netherlands are amazing.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Yeah I was like, "In danger of? Bro it's already happening".

[–] WingedObsidian@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Any particular resources you found helpful in your move? My main concern is how to make the visa work and how to find a livable wage abroad

[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not OP, but I did the same, when I first realized the US was on a slippery slope towards idiocracy (and, in fairness, I realized it three decades after many intellectuals already warned about it). In my case, I was fortunate to work for a multinational, which agreed to transfer me to a country within the EU, and to take care of the paperwork. Over a decade later, I have citizenship here, my own house, and I feel fully integrated into the local society. And I don't need to worry about college tuition for my kids. They'll have a choice of free education anywhere within the EU, and by the time they're old enough, they may have access to a wide variety of educators who left he US.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm in a similar boat, except I'm waiting to find out if my multinational will be willing to move me. I'm the lead developer, admin, product owner, and architect for a very publicly-facing web presence for my company, so I'm hoping they'll be willing to in order to keep me happy.

And if they won't, I'm going to be applying for similar jobs abroad the moment I know.

It's not just for me. My son is trans and my daughter is gay. I have to get them both out of here before the ovens start firing up.

If you get the impression that at this point I believe the U.S. is a lost cause, you're correct. If we make it to the 2026 elections intact, the elections are valid, and Democrats sweep, I'll be extremely surprised.

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[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 57 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Of course. We have people in government who don't believe in germ theory. Education is extremely expensive, and if you don't pick a "Good" major, not only are you in debt, but shamed and mocked for it, since no one "forced" you to go. Jobs that require these degrees, even doctors, are not paying enough for people to live, study, and afford food. Why would you stay?

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 38 points 4 months ago

Also educated people tend to vocally disagree with fascists, so obviously fascists wants fewer of them around.

[–] bloup@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I think at this point, the danger has crystallized pretty thoroughly. Even if you somehow stopped everything that was currently happening, I don’t really know why anybody would want to come here anymore for university. Getting a degree is already stressful enough without having to worry about whether or not the institution will legally be allowed to keep you enrolled for the entire duration of your program.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 4 months ago

I don’t really know why anybody would want to come here anymore for university

I mean if my advisor can secure the funding, the two reasons I plan on doing my PhD in America are (1) I like my advisor and (2) I went to school here and I don't like my chances of being accepted somewhere else. Like I would rather do a PhD in literally any other country.

[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People move here for university at the higher end because there is no where else in the world where you will have more access to research money. Whether government or private sector. Although this may no longer be the case under Trump.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

also salary is higher in the usa than anywhere else too.

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[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 44 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Unironically I would be literally thrilled to contribute to this brain drain. I'd drop everything and get on a plane right this very second for a chance to do a PhD in literally any other country.

If anyone is looking to fill a electrical engineering PhD position literally anywhere but America then I'm ya boy.

[–] viking 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Finland has tuition free PhD programs for nationals of any country, Germany and Netherlands offer paid research positions where you basically are a full time student and still a part time lecturer - working hours can be tough though, since you need to balance the two. If you have some modest savings, Malaysia has some excellent universities and very cheap tuition (I'm doing my phd here and pay about 10k USD for a 3 year program) and cost of living is very low.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Does Malaysia do their classes in English?

[–] viking 6 points 4 months ago

Yep, from highschool onwards the education system is fully in English. It's pretty much an exact copy of the British system from that point on, thanks to the colonial past.

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 9 points 4 months ago

Yeah, we gonna need loads of that for 7th gen fighters, resilient next-gen green smart grids, etc. Bon voyage!

PS: we're not better than the US, but at least our political systems can delay full fascist takeover for about 5-20 years...which may be enough time to reverse it politically or to at least create defenses against it.

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 43 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Brain drain? They're flushing them!

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Brain Cistern

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 31 points 4 months ago

"in danger"

Why is it that all these articles seem to be written in the past?

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Unless you're a true sociopath ready to take advantage of the situation, past a certain threshold of intelligence and knowledge being surrounded by MAGAmericans and propaganda aimed at them, and knowing your country can only get worse, must feel like torture.

[–] Atlas_@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

That threshold is like, slightly below average intelligence

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark(1995)

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Wow. Completely nailed it, unfortunately.

Do you also start to get weary of how they're always dead-on when it comes to pessimistic predictions? :(

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I mean there are a few good actuate positive predictions. The family of laws that collectively are called Moore's law is decent offhand example.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 14 points 4 months ago

I am not going to miss the "pax" Americana, but it's sad seeing this and knowing that the world's total rate of scientific advancement will go down considerably for at least a decade.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

It's part of the plan. If you can't win over the more left-leaning academia, you can always just get rid of it. Worked out for both Hungary and Russia.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

American science will suffer. But you don't care for science in the US, anyway, so most people won't even notice the loss.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh they'll notice the loss...they just won't understand it

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They'll notice they have lost ... something.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And then they will blame Democrats/immigrants for it

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Of course. All good that happens is because Trump waved his glorious hand, while all evil is due to the mighty scheming of the weak Democrats, or something like that.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 7 points 4 months ago

Does it count as being in danger if it's the ultimate goal?

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Idiocracy had their time predictions wrong, it's already nearly there.

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[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Good! Let me know where they set up shop so I can move there.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In danger? We've been experiencing that for decades now and it's now taking a nosedivem

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[–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There's no way I'd send my kids to Harvard or MIT (or Stanford, Caltech, Yale, Princeton, etc. etc.) if I were a foreigner. Shit, I am an American and I think I'd probably prefer to send my kids to McGill at this point. I hope my outlook changes. And I write this as someone who has walked the halls of two of those prestigious universities.

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