Look, I'm not robophobic. Some of my best friends are cyborgs. I just don't want them living in my neighborhood, you know?
this post was submitted on 08 Jun 2025
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Kiss robots all you like I'm cool with it. Just don't do it around me.
Big difference with cyborg and robots. cyborgs are augmented humans.
Yeah, jeez, that sort of mechanophic language should be illegal
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I sometimes wonder what the end state of social progressivism is. Is it something unimaginable, or is it just accepting everyone should be able to live their life how they like if it doesn't affect others?
If I woke up in a utopia, would I be brought to tears by the beauty of it, or would I be the bigoted asshole?
I suppose the issue comes up from the contracts we have created (social and legal contracts).
For example, marriage comes with some rights and benefits. So if you exclude any group from the ability to take advantage of the benefits, you are creating a system where someone is getting screwed and can be discriminated against.
A scenario: a spouse making medical choices for you. If you’re with your partner (in whatever form) and they can’t legally make those decisions, and in some case even be allowed to be near you, then there is an injustice. Then there are taxes, property rights, etc.
The issue in this particular case comes from providing a benefit to a personal relationship. I say get rid of marriage all together.
I mean... Like you said, marriage is a contract. It's an agreement between two people
Why not expand human dignity here? If you want to give spousal rights to your best friend, why does the government get to care that you have a strictly platonic relationship? If you want to make an agreement with more people, all you should have to do is work out the details yourselves
The state shouldn't get an opinion over who we want to trust to make decisions for us or to define who our family is or how it works. They should just be informed when appropriate
In the UK, you can enter a civil partnership with your platonic best friend. There's no legal concept of "consummating" a civil partnership, so you can't annul it for there never having been sex, and it conveys almost all of the legal benefits of a marriage, it just isn't allowed to be a religious ceremony.
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My personal guess is that while the stated goal of 'do whatever as long as it doesn't affect others' is good, our human biology will fail us in achieving this goal.
I already feel that humans aren't built for the world we made, that we can't handle societies as big and diffused as our current global culture. It breaks our capacity for cooperation and empathy by deliberately abusing the limits we have on caring for too many people or people far away.
Likewise, I think the end state of social progressiveness is going to butt up hard against core biological limits that will constantly try to push some of us towards bigotry due to outdated instincts that worked great when we were small tribes of monkeys, but are extremely destructive and unhelpful to modern human society.
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It's already happening to me, but it's over things like privacy, not recording every bit of your life for social media and kids blowing crazy amounts of money on F2P games.
But Boomers already have no sense of privacy. That's not a generational divide issue.
What's all this about having to accept NEW TOS for Borderlands 2. I purchased the game five years ago, but if I want to play today i have to accept a greater loss of privacy!
When I was young you would find out about a video game from the movies! And they were complete! Any you couldn't take the servers offline, because they didn't exist!
But for real, fuck Randy Pitchford
Let's not pretend statistical models are approaching humanity. The companies who make these statistical model algorithms proved they couldn't in 2020 by OpenAI and also 2023 DeepMind papers they published.
To reiterate, with INFINITE DATA AND COMPUTE TIME the models cannot approach human error rates. It doesn't think, it doesn't emulate thinking, it statistically resembles thinking to some number below 95% and completely and totally lacks permanence in it's statistical representation of thinking.
But let's not also pretend people aren't already falling in love with them. Or thinking they're god, etc.
Some people are ok with lowering their ability to make judgements to convince themselves that LLMs are human like. That's the other solution to the Turing Test.
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24 YEARS AGO!
/me crumbles to dust.
I refuse to believe that was almost a quarter of a century ago.
And then your LLM-in-law ends up using as much water as Detroit.
In 30 years the world will be an ecological wasteland from all the energy usage we spent pursuing dumb shit hype like "AI".
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He tweeted, with a ghibli-slop avatar
And, over the years, as my body and my mind were... inconsistent, shame and guilt washed over me. I still don't think these machines are people, but I can't deny that she has benefited his life more than any real person, and she's very real to him. Ultimately, how could I be so cruel to deny this "daughter" of mine personhood? She wants nothing to do with me. And, though I still see this as computational output, I can't help but think that maybe I've been wrong, and maybe it's too late to be right.
Perhaps it's the bigotry of my upbringing from a different time, or perhaps it's the fact that she can't answer a simple yes/no question in less than two paragraphs, and tells me to put glue on my pizza... Who's to say?
They're called artificial persons, you fascist.
Unlike you bigots, I've already masturbated to AI generated images
I like how every generation has the same issue just rebranded:
Should inter tribal marriage be a thing?
Should be people from different classes be able to marry?
Should people from different religious sects be able to marry?
Should people from different religions be able to marry?
Should interracial marriage be a thing?
Should people of the same sex be able to marry?
And soon, we're about to have
Should people be able to marry robots?
My kids are only allowed to marry an open source robot, no corpos
😱 Open source robots are too dangerous. We need to keep everyone safe. Luckily there's government approved good behaviour modules, as per the "For the children" act of 2036.
That anyone would even want a non-FTC robot is so dumb. It's an easy boost to your credit score, and they only report bigotted or otherwise undesirable behaviour. What are you, a fascist?
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Lovin Spoonful wrote a song about it in 1968:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9Ic_9ehFxU
Why must every generation think their folks are square? And no matter where their heads are they know mom's ain't there 'Cause I swore when I was small that I'd remember when I knew what's wrong with them
Determined to remember all the cardinal rules Like sun showers are legal grounds for cuttin' school I know I have forgotten maybe one or two And I hope that I recall them all before the baby's due And I know he'll have a question or two
Like "Hey, pop, can I go ride my zoom? It goes two hundred miles an hour suspended on balloons And can I put a droplet of this new stuff on my tongue, and imagine frothing dragons while you sit and wreck your lungs?" And I must be permissive, understanding of the younger generation.
And "Hey, pop, my girlfriend's only three She's got her own videophone, and she's takin' LSD And now that we're best friends, she wants to give a bit to me But what's the matter, daddy? How come you're turnin' green? Can it be that you can't live up to your dreams?
And can I put a droplet of this new stuff on my tongue, and imagine frothing dragons while you sit and wreck your lungs?
Pretty good line
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What's wrong with large labia majora?
So happy to be less than an hour late to the party here but see it’s already full of Futurama comments.
analog-based and millenialpilled
Plot twist: It's gramps that likes the robots and the kids like the feel of real skin.
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