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[–] JuBe@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

NOTE: This article is from more than 7 months ago.

Edit: I’m on my phone, so forgive any formatting snafus, but I just recently responded to a question about why that Substack post was removed for, and I think it is applicable here.

I’m a mod on c/politics. I don't speak for any of the other mods, and while I don’t recall interacting with your specific post, I’ll give you two reasons today that would likely be sufficient to me, for why I would have removed that post. (1) It’s an article to a Substack post, which isn't necessarily dispositive, but the author is unknown (at least to me), which is a ding against its credibility. (2) I don't know enough about the author's intent to know whether to characterize the article as mis- or dis-information, but I've been involved in elections for more than a decade, so I know that I can say — unequivocally — that the information the author is spewing, is incorrect. Specifically, the author demonstrates ignorance of the technology and logistics involved in the administration of elections, along with different methods of verification.

And just to be clear, the 2024 election was not perfect and there was institutionalized voter suppression; however, that Substack post is not rooted in fact.

The response I got from that post was (the other person quoting me):

I’ve been involved in elections for more than a decade, so I know that I can say — unequivocally — that the information the author is spewing, is incorrect.

This seems to be stating that we must accept what you say at face value without evidence. (End of the other person’s quote.)

To which I responded, and I would say is just as applicable here:

Okay, well here are some facts that you can confirm with anyone else who has been involved in election administration that support my point:

  • The individual or group of individuals involved in administering elections, varies from state to state, and sometimes even more, within a state, so extrapolating from a single case and assuming you could apply that to explain a nationwide election demonstrates a lack of familiarity with election administration.
  • The technology involved in administering elections, varies from state to state, and sometimes even more, within a state, so extrapolating from a single case and assuming you could apply that to explain a nationwide election demonstrates a lack of familiarity with election administration.
  • The article completely skips over addressing how any of these changes wouldn’t be caught during count verification steps.

Those are three things undermining the article’s credibility that you can confirm for yourself. It’s spewing the same kind of bullshit theories that I heard about the 2020 election, and spent the years since, fighting. I didn’t like the outcome of the 2024 election either, but I know what I’m talking about.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

The entire point of this is that it takes considerably more effort on your end to respond.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I just came back to this thread because I wanted to say: thank you for this write up, you got a lot of details I neglected to mention. The most important of which is that elections are run at the state level and every state is going to have their own security and cybersecurity teams, and the assumptions made in this treat it like either every cybersecurity team in every state is grossly incompetent or the cybersecurity teams were somehow "in on it" and kept their mouths shut (not a skill most of the people in Trumps orbit seem to have) or that the Trump admin had been sitting on a massive zero-day exploit to be used at the right moment, through the right channels, with the right pieces of hardware installed in the right spots every place they needed them (once again, these people are not good about keeping quiet about such things). Which, to me, all three are so highly implausible it really makes no sense to make grand conspiracies in your own head about it all.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 141 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

I'm just gonna say it: Everything about everyone involved in this administration screams people who are hired for their loyalty, not their skillsets.

The theory that they used Uninterruptible Power Supplies to modify the vote, and that they had enough people involved to pull this off, yet everyone kept their mouth shut, is not the level of competency I have seen from anyone in Trump's orbit.

As someone with a background in tech, I find it hard to believe. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. They can make up all the stories about they want in their own heads, until there's some proof of it, it's just as bullshit as Trump's claims of election fraud.

If Eaton pushed an update to those UPS units, it could have gained root-level access to the host tabulation environment—without ever modifying certified election software.

So yeah, we're gonna have to have a hell of a lot more to go on than "could have" here. Also I'm skeptical on the claim that Windows automatically trusts any connected UPS and skeptical about the "root level access" claim (including the fact that it is called administrator access on Windows, Windows doesn't have "root" accounts).

Part of the reason I'm skeptical on the root-level access claim regarding a UPS. If you could do this with any old UPS, this would make any and every UPS in existence a major attack vector to every computer and computer network in existence. I find it hard to believe that cybersecurity experts would have somehow missed this in the last 20 years that commercial level UPS's have been in use. That it was just somehow conveniently overlooked that you could override server administration with a UPS. I don't buy that.

EDIT: All this being said, I think a court case to reveal any evidence that is there is important. It's highly improbable but not impossible and so I hope the court case moves forward quickly.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 52 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I've been listening to a great podcast series about Titanic. (This will come around, bear with me.)

One of the things mentioned in the latest episode is that it didn't take long for conspiracy theories to develop about the sinking, that it had to have been done on purpose. Because there are a lot of people who didn't want to believe the truth: that it was possible for the largest luxury liner ever built could go to the bottom of the north Atlantic in two and a half hours on its maiden voyage on accident.

The uncomfortable truth about this last election is that, yes, enough people willfully voted for fascism to put this administration in place. The United States is much further away from the ideal we'd all been led to believe it has strived to be, so far that it's clear that it's not even striving for that ideal anymore. That truth is so unconscionable to some people that accepting a conspiracy theory is more palatable.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 2 days ago (5 children)

That truth is so unconscionable to some people that accepting a conspiracy theory is more palatable.

It's really hurtful to the mind of a kind-hearted person. It says a lot of dark things about humanity in general that this nation was so easily steered into this. It's valid to want to reject it, but I'd rather live in the dark reality and face it than do like the MAGAts and retreat to the safety of fantasy and fiction that it just has to be a conspiracy to explain how so many people are so terrible. Nope, humans are really that fucked.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Much like the night sky, humanity is largely a dark thing, speckled with occasional bright spots.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Except for Trump letting slip that without musk and those voting machines he would have lost and during the Twitter fight between the 2 musk said Trump wouldn't be president without him.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Circumstantial evidence is not evidence. Further, this story is about Tripp Lite, which last I checked, isn't owned by Musk. It's owned by Eaton. Gonna have to jump through a lot of mental hoops to connect Eaton and Musk.

Have you ever considered that they would say they were going to win even if they weren't? That part of how fascism and fascists work is by projecting power by never admitting weakness? Saying you're the winner, even after you've lost, is common for both Trump and Musk.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Circumstantial evidence is not evidence.

It is according to common law, and can even be used to convict.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The problem is is that Trump cheating is more than plausible. You're right that real evidence is absolutely required.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

And they did cheat. They cut millions from voter rolls. They spent more time questioning whether signatures on mail-in voters were valid. They did more gerrymandering. They, in general, did their damnedest to make it harder for people vote. They used disinformation campaigns and foreign actors to influence social media. The thing about it is, they do a lot more of it out in the open than people want to admit. Just like how they weren't hiding Project 2025. Why would they suddenly have the ability to be so tight lipped about just this issue?

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[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s actually NT AUTHORITY/SYSTEM access, but that’s being pedantic

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ups software probably installed as system so that it can perform script execution and shutdown properly. That software communicates with the UPS directly. UPS vendors wouldn’t be at the top of my list of security-minded companies.

The execution path isn’t impossible.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Everything about everyone involved in this administration screams people who are hired for their loyalty, not their skillsets

That the big thing we have going for us. They’re fascists, but they’re also grossly incompetent at operations. Although they are amazing at the propaganda .

[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I understand where you’re coming from with this angle, but you’re wrong. Very few people need to be involved to get this done. Also, just like with other conspiracy theories that are still publicly frowned upon but highly probably true: I wouldn’t count on internal US people to do the ground work either.

It is very likely the machines were fixed early to mid 2024. I agree that the UPS theory or starlink is ridiculous.

I’ve written more here if you want to understand the broader angle. https://lemmy.world/post/27126084

These two ladies are worth a listen too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk1A-tLIaXY

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[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

To play devils advocate, I watched children do this back in 2017.

I remember that, too. And I remember hackers getting physical access to Diebold machines with a Sharpie pen in 2004.

It still comes back to the fact that the article this stems from is literally nothing but speculation.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The truth is worse.

That there's more people who want this (or at least did until they realised it meant their families being abducted by ICE) than people who didn't, and more people still who didn't give a fuck enough to bother voting.

That should keep them up at night more than vote rigging.

[–] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

more people still who didn’t give a fuck enough to bother voting.

For reference, the 2020 U.S. Presidential Election:

[–] LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

FWIW, I didn't vote this past election. Not for lack of trying, mind you. I sent for a mail in ballot and it never showed. I corrected my address (which somehow got switched to an old address) and requested another and every time, the site would throw an error. By that point it was too late and I would need to vote in person which didn't work because of the address thing. And before people go "well you should have made sure first", I did. I verified everything months prior and it changed my info after....

What a pain in the ass... something about the degree of insoluble complications makes me feel that it may not have been entirely accidental (I know, I know, I have no concrete proof but other countries/jurisdictions are able to avoid these vote annulling scenarios fairly easily). Would it still have been possible for you to vote in your former district, or was it too far away (different city/state)?

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[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

OK, so let's prove it then.

Gather up the irrefutable concrete evidence and watch most of the people of this country either refute it or ignore it because, to them, the alternative is too difficult to face

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

You can see the spin already, hell Newsweek is using it verbatim: “Left-wing conspiracy theory”.

The key element of which is; there’s no evidence left behind.

Hell I can’t get people to watch the documentary of Cambridge Analytica because they literally do not want to know. And even if it gets proven 100% and soon, the DoJ and the army are owned. The Mueller Report spelled out collusion and with one news cycle, Bill Barr killed it with a simple lie that it did not.

Not putting much hope in this but it is interesting, anyway.

[–] pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This is why I think our country is fucked. You have a whole side that would die before they admit they were wrong and voted for the criminals. They will literally let our country crumble before they admit they made a mistake…. How do you “fix” that?

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Let’s be clear:
Donald Trump pledges allegiance to a red, white, and blue flag—
It’s just not the American one.

[–] m4xie@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He did suggest joining the common wealth. Egads! He's a limey redcoat traitor!

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is a source-check on the other substack article which is quoted from above.

The centerpiece of the new theory is recounted thoroughly in a June 11 Substack post titled "She Won. They Didn’t Just Change the Machines. They Rewired the Election." Unlike earlier post-election theories, this one doesn’t just focus on theoretical vulnerabilities plus suspicions or vague statistical anomalies. It introduces what it claims is a complete mechanism consisting of software manipulation; a new access mechanism; and a test case.

New Technical Documentation: It describes engineering change orders (ECOs) showing that Pro V&V, a federally accredited test lab, approved software and hardware changes to ES&S voting machines just before the election, without triggering a full certification review. It did so, according to the new claim, by declaring the changes to be “de minimis” (inconsequential) which allowed the changes to be implemented without a complex recertification process. This “de minimis” claim is presented as essentially bogus — a cover to create an ability to make substantive changes without subjecting them to review.

A New Starlink Access Pathway: It claims that Elon Musk’s Starlink gained a new, previously unknown access that provided real-time internet connectivity to voting machines, allowing votes to be altered during tabulation.

‘A “Smoking Gun” Test Case: It cites five machines in Rockland County, NY, that recorded zero votes for Kamala Harris while showing hundreds of votes for other Democrats in the same precincts. These claims suggest a full system: motive, method, and result. According to the post, this wasn’t just dirty politics or local fraud. It was a coordinated digital operation—technically sophisticated, nationally scaled, and hidden in plain sight.

. . . Tentative Conclusions

  • The voting machine changes were real, but the idea that Pro V&V scammed the system by claiming “de minimis” to cover up malicious changes does not seem to be supported. 

  • The deployment of 265 Starlink satellites just before the election is confirmed, but there is no evidence any of them were ever connected to voting tabulators and it appears they played no role in vote counting.

  • The “zero vote” anomaly has a strong sociological explanation and a clear historical precedent- bloc voting by orthodox jewish communities acting on recommendation of their rabbi. It happened in 2020 with Joe Biden receiving zero votes as well.

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[–] pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

All I know is, Elon knew who won the election by 7pm est. make it make sense.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Okay, I will: Fascists will always say they're winning, they're going to win, and they've won, no matter what the reality on the ground is. He would have said the same even if the election went to Harris. Because they project power by promoting the idea that they are strong and perfect and always win and you're inadvertently giving them power by believing it.

He also said he would win in a cage match with Zuckerberg, then claimed Zuckerberg was the one who chickened out.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 2 days ago

Adding to what the other person said: If they'd lost the election (which was fairly unlikely; the writing was on the wall) they'd have claimed it to be rigged, so his statement would be "true" either way.

Trump and his cohorts were ALWAYS going to claim victory. To this day plenty of them won't say Biden beat Trump.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

She Won. They Didn't Just Change the Machines. They Rewired the Election.

How Leonard Leo's 2021 sale of an electronics firm enabled tech giants to subvert the 2024 election.

This Will Hold

The Dark Enlightenment Coup

The missing votes uncovered in Smart Elections’ legal case in Rockland County, New York, are just the tip of the iceberg—an iceberg that extends across the swing states and into Texas.

On Monday, an investigator’s story finally hit the news cycle: Pro V&V, one of only two federally accredited testing labs, approved sweeping last-minute updates to ES&S voting machines in the months leading up to the 2024 election—without independent testing, public disclosure, or full certification review.

These changes were labeled “de minimis”—a term meant for trivial tweaks. But they touched ballot scanners, altered reporting software, and modified audit files—yet were all rubber-stamped with no oversight.

That revelation is a shock to the public. 
But for those who’ve been digging into the bizarre election data since November, this isn’t the headline—it’s the final piece to the puzzle. While Pro V&V was quietly updating equipment in plain sight, a parallel operation was unfolding behind the curtain—between tech giants and Donald Trump.

And it started with a long forgotten sale.

A Power Cord Becomes a Backdoor

In March 2021, Leonard Leo—the judicial kingmaker behind the modern conservative legal machine—sold a quiet Chicago company by the name of Tripp Lite for $1.65 billion. The buyer: Eaton Corporation, a global power infrastructure conglomerate that just happened to have a partnership with Peter Thiel’s Palantir.

To most, Tripp Lite was just a hardware brand—battery backups, surge protectors, power strips. But in America’s elections, Tripp Lite devices were something else entirely.

They are physically connected to ES&S central tabulators and Electionware servers, and Dominion tabulators and central servers across the country. And they aren’t dumb devices. They are smart UPS units—programmable, updatable, and capable of communicating directly with the election system via USB, serial port, or Ethernet.

ES&S systems, including central tabulators and Electionware servers, rely on Tripp Lite UPS devices. ES&S’s Electionware suite runs on Windows OS, which automatically trusts connected UPS hardware.

If Eaton pushed an update to those UPS units, it could have gained root-level access to the host tabulation environment—without ever modifying certified election software.

In Dominion’s Democracy Suite 5.17, the drivers for these UPS units are listed as “optional”—meaning they can be updated remotely without triggering certification requirements or oversight. Optional means unregulated. Unregulated means invisible. And invisible means perfect for infiltration.

A New Purpose for the Partnership

After the Tripp Lite acquisition, Eaton stayed under the radar. But in May 2024, it resurfaced with an announcement that escaped most headlines: Eaton was deepening its partnership with Palantir Technologies.

Let’s be clear, Palantir wasn’t brought in for customer service. It was brought in to do what it does best: manage, shape, and secure vast streams of data—quietly. According to Eaton’s own release, Palantir’s role would include:

  • AI-driven oversight of connected infrastructure
  • Automated analysis of large datasets
  • And—most critically—“secure erasure of digital footprints”

The Digital Janitor: also known as forensic sanitization, it was now being embedded into Eaton-managed hardware connected directly to voting systems. Palantir didn’t change the votes. It helped ensure you’d never prove it if someone else did.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

BallotProof: The Front-End for Scrubbing Democracy

Enter the ballot scrubbing platform BallotProof. Co-created by Ethan Shaotran, a longtime employee of Elon Musk and current DOGE employee, BallotProof was pitched as a transparency solution—an app to “verify” scanned ballot images and support election integrity. 

With Palantir's AI controlling the backend, and BallotProof cleaning the front, only one thing was missing: the signal to go live.

September 2024: Eaton and Musk Make It Official

Then came the final public breadcrumb: 
In September 2024, Eaton formally partnered with Elon Musk.
The stated purpose? A vague, forward-looking collaboration focused on “grid resilience” and “next-generation communications.” 
But buried in the partnership documents was this line:

“Exploring integration with Starlink's emerging low-orbit DTC infrastructure for secure operational continuity.”

The Activation: Starlink Goes Direct-to-Cell

That signal came on October 30, 2024—just days before the election, Musk activated 265 brand new low Earth orbit (LEO) V2 Mini satellites, each equipped with Direct-to-Cell (DTC) technology capable of processing, routing, and manipulating real-time data, including voting data, through his satellite network. 

DTC doesn’t require routers, towers, or a traditional SIM. It connects directly from satellite to any compatible device—including embedded modems in “air-gapped” voting systems, smart UPS units, or unsecured auxiliary hardware. 

From that moment on:
- Commands could be sent from orbit
- Patch delivery became invisible to domestic monitors
- Compromised devices could be triggered remotely

This groundbreaking project that should have taken two-plus years to build, was completed in just under ten months.

Elon Musk boasts endlessly about everything he’s launching, building, buying—or even just thinking about—whether it’s real or not. But he pulls off one of the largest and fastest technological feats in modern day history… and says nothing? One might think that was kind of… “weird.”

Lasers From Space

According to New York Times reporting, on October 5—just before Starlink’s DTC activation—Musk texted a confidant:

“I’m feeling more optimistic after tonight. Tomorrow we unleash the anomaly in the matrix.”

Then, an hour later:

“This isn’t something on the chessboard, so they’ll be quite surprised. ‘Lasers’ from space.”

It read like a riddle. In hindsight, it was a blueprint.

Let’s review what was in place:

This wasn’t a theory. It was a full-scale operation. A systemic digital occupation—clean, credentialed, and remote-controlled.

The Outcome

Data that makes no statistical sense. A clean sweep in all seven swing states. The fall of the Blue Wall. Eighty-eight counties flipped red—not one flipped blue. Every victory landed just under the threshold that would trigger an automatic recount. Donald Trump outperformed expectations in down-ballot races with margins never before seen—while Kamala Harris simultaneously underperformed in those exact same areas.

If one were to accept these results at face value—Donald Trump, a 34-count convicted felon, supposedly outperformed Ronald Reagan. According to the co-founder of the Election Truth Alliance:

“These anomalies didn’t happen nationwide. They didn’t even happen across all voting methods—this just doesn’t reflect human voting behavior.”

They were concentrated. Targeted. Specific to swing states and Texas—and specific to Election Day voting.

And the supposed explanation? “Her policies were unpopular.”

Let’s think this through logically. We’re supposed to believe that in all the battleground states, Democratic voters were so disillusioned by Vice President Harris’s platform that they voted blue down ballot—but flipped to Trump at the top of the ticket?

Not in early voting. Not by mail. With exception to Nevada, only on Election Day. And only after a certain threshold of ballots had been cast—where VP Harris’s numbers begin to diverge from her own party, and Trump’s suddenly begin to surge. As President Biden would say, “C’mon, man.”

In the world of election data analysis, there’s a term for that: vote-flipping algorithm.

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[–] Buske@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

why does the title say left wing? musk and trump both admitted to it.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

because Newsweek

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This article was from right after the election, before Rockland county found that its votes didn't add up and the investigation that followed.

I'd be curious to see newsweeks update considering that information.

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