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Supporters in the Republican-led Legislature said the law was needed to help a major employer. The lawsuits say Sig Sauer’s P320 pistol can go off without the trigger being pulled, an allegation the company denies.

The law covers all gun manufacturers and federal firearm licensees in product liability claims regarding the “absence or presence” of four specific safety features. One of those features is an external mechanical safety that people suing Sig Sauer say should be standard on the P320, based on its design. Claims can still be filed over manufacturing defects.

Archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20250623113330/https://apnews.com/article/new-hampshire-sig-sauer-ps320-lawsuits-654278c792e8e1309d70e3f69ff19bfe

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is a weird case because the p320 did pass the required drop test.

You drop it X amount of times, from Y height, at A, B, and C angles.

The p320 won't go off, and passes the test

But drop it from a couple inches higher, at a specific (but not tested) angle... And it might go off.

The problem, like usual, is cops.

Cops always have a shit ton of negligent discharges. So when people said a p320 can just "go off" every negligent discharge with a p320 was blamed on the gun. Even when the incident was on camera and didn't involve a drop.

Cops just lie about shit instinctively.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Until 2021 NYPD cops required 12 pound trigger pulls to prevent accidental discharges, but which also reduced accuracy and led to shooting bystanders.

Now they switched to five pound pulls and their guns start going off randomly?

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Really this has been tested long enough that our conclusion should be "cops shouldn't carry guns"

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago

It's quite possible these guns really are just going off due to stacked tolerances. ForgottenWeapons did a good video on the theory.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3iWVs2uD1XY

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If a pistol needs an external safety, it's a failed design. The law is correct in that specific instance.

I would love to get some real testing and a true answer about what the problem is. Unfortunately, Sig seems like it just keeps getting shielded from having to show what the issues are.

[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My P320 came with an external safety. I thought they all did.

Edit: However after reading the article I see that’s not the case at all.

I wonder whether I still need to worry about negligent discharges when the safety is on.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

If it's really happening without any interaction, it's not negligence.

I don't know if they identified the mechanism that was causing them to fire, but if the safety blocks the striker, it should be fine. Personally I would just sell it and buy something else.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pro tip, if an officer tells you to drop your weapon just tell him it's a p320

[–] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Lmfao, someone needs to make a short skit of that.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

These things can do off even while securely in a holster, they are unsafe and should be recalled

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

They were recalled. I don't know if the provided fix was sufficient.