if anyone was sad they missed the chance to be deployed in another middle east war, then I have news for you
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Wonder what the NATO response will be/what it means if Article V isnt automatically invoked. When was the last time a foreign government said they'd launched an attack against the US? Genuine question.
NATO also only works defensively - the US struck first, and as a result no NATO country has any obligation to get involved, even if it were an attack on home territory.
I bet Trump will use this as an excuse to leave NATO either way. He's been wanting to for a while
Yeah probably, he has the foresight of an infant. Doesn't mean NATO countries will respect an attempted invocation of Article 5.
you act as if logic or basic memory are a thing.
Trump will act as of the attack was unprovoked. and more people and countries than were comfortable will fall in line and act if the US did not strike at all.
Trump can act as he wants, that doesn't magically make other nations forget what NATO agreements actually say.
NATO was never involved in any of the other US-lead wars. Western countries may form a coalition for a war but that's independent of and unrelated to NATO and purely at their own discretion, not out of any obligation. Feel free to protest your national government if they choose to get involved, but don't act like they have no agency and Trump forced them to do anything.
sorry, you aren't wrong,
it's just lately we've seen that actual rules are meaningless.
if countries followed international laws, Israel would be as sanctioned as North Korea, and they would be zero weapons sold to them.
so I'm not expecting actual international laws and treaties to have any effect here.
International "law" is a misnomer, as you've noticed... it's only enforceable at the end of a pointy stick, physical or economic. "Conventions" are a more appropriate phrase. This is indeed disappointing.
Overseas bases are not part of the territory so they're not covered by NATO unless the host country is covered by NATO.