Beef is overrated. Pork, poultry, and wild caught shrimp are where it's at.
this post was submitted on 08 Jul 2025
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The single best thing you can do for the climate is not existing. The next best thing is not having kids. The lifetime of consumption of a person is out of the equation without that person. Until we figure out how to live sustainably on this earth, overpopulation is a real problem.
I guess it's a good thing that the lone star tick is moving north
Are bilionairs white meat?
i’ve replaced beef in my diet with kangaroo for exactly this reason… it’s not the same, but it’s great in its own right and contains a load of iron. makes cutting beef out much easier
bonus: roo populations have to be managed otherwise in modern australia they tend to multiply uncontrolled and it’s a problem, so it’s either eat the meat or waste it… roo meat isn’t farmed
Roos are culled mostly because they compete for pasture availability and water access for livestock, especially because we reduced their predators (again, to protect animal livestock).
It's certainly better to eat roo than cow, but a diet that doesn't include killing animals at all is objectively better.
a diet that doesn't include killing animals at all is objectively better.
assuming animals wouldn’t be killed either way, yes… but even if they’re killed for other livestock, that’s going to continue regardless of eating them or not so the difference is practically nothing. you have to reduce the other livestock before any effect on kangaroos is felt
and also, something is better than nothing… i think convincing a majority of people to not eat meat just isn’t realistic. subbing out beef for roo (and chicken and pork) is a very easy trade, and i’ve switched a lot of people to do the same. it’s pretty easy to convince people to do that. it’s very difficult to convince people to eat exclusively vegetarian
Americans are trying to ban it.
i heard about that… it’s wild lol… and their argument is basically “it’s cute”
Plus it's delicious, it either tastes exactly like white tail deer or perhaps i was scammed
i’ve heard it does taste like that yes, but haven’t tried myself because idk where to get venison in aus! roo is literally available in mince, diced, steaks, sausages, etc in supermarkets here :p
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What bother's me about these sorts of posts is they don't give people a consumption goal. Blindly telling everyone to consume less isn't exactly fair. Say, for example, there's person A who consumes 1 unit of red meat per month, and person B who consumes 100 units of red meat per month. If you say to everyone "consume 1 unit of red meat less per month", well, now person A consumes 0 units of red meat per month, and person B consumes 99 units of red meat per month. Is that fair? Say, you tell everyone "halve your consumption of red meat per month", well, now person A consumes 0.5 units of red meat per month, and person B consumes 50 units of red meat per month. Is that fair? Now, say, you tell everyone "you should try to eat at most 2 units of meat per month", well now person A may happily stay at 1 unit knowing that they're already below the target maximum, they may choose to decrease of their own accord, or they may feel validated to increase to 2 units of red meat per month, and person B will feel pressured to dramatically, and (importantly, imo) proportionally, reduce their consumption. Blindly saying that everyone should reduce their consumption in such an even manner disproportionately imparts blame, as there are likely those who are much more in need of reduction than others. It may even be that a very small minority of very large consumers are responsible for the majority of the overall consumption, so the "average" person may not even need to change their diet much, if at all, in order to meet a target maximum.
I don't think it's necessary to compare yourself to others here. The consumption goal should just be to consume less and every effort makes a difference. If you eat red meat every day, then try every other day. If you already do that, try once a week. If you feel you can consume even less then have it as a rare treat or just cut it out entirely.
Perspective matters. There's a couple things you can do to majorly reduce your carbon footprint. Beyond those it gets increasing difficult to have smaller and smaller effects. At some point the next most effective things to do with your time and effort become
- do activism
- earn more money
- to buy offsets
- to donate to activist charities
The time and effort you spend living like a weirdo has an opportunity cost that you could be doing those things. Furthermore it looks bad. There was a study that found that when you tell people that tackling climate change requires major sacrifice, they became more likely to deny climate change is even real.
The bulk of your post is probably the reason why consumption goals aren't given - it's not going to be the same for everyone.
Anyone who only eats 1 steak per year is unlikely to see a general statement like "reduce your red meat consumption" and think "oh no, I'm eating too much red meat", because they are likely well aware of how much the average person eats compared to them.
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