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Having fucked up social discourse with Twitter and then Bluesky, Jack Dorsey claims he has seen the error of his ways, and definitely won't do it a third time with his new nonprofit aimed at helping developers build and deploy (OSS or commercial) social media tech built on the Nostr platform (with AI!). Yeesh, I might be biased. Maybe I shouldn't be writing these summaries.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If only someone could invent a distributed open source social media platform, wouldn't that be great. Then he could spend his time and energy doing something more productive.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago

Nostr really isn't about the platform, it's about the simple, platform-agnostic keypair setup that identifies you.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

like counting his money!

[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There was Secure Scuttblebutt, but it had issues that hindered adoption.

Nostr does actually seem like a more usable version of it, but the only people I've ever seen use it are cryptobros, so it's got a kind of anti-network effect.

Edit: Honestly a "SSB2" running over something like Veilid could be real nice, but it's still early days.

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 101 points 4 days ago (2 children)

At a certain point, people stop telling you “no” and then you end up with a gold nose ring and hippie beard. Dorsey probably hasn’t heard a “no” since 2006

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

These guys are the ones who went to burning man when they were young and it was cool, but kept going, got old, and ruined it for the next generations.

Makes me sad as a member of the Oregon Gen who missed the heydays of that kind of stuff, but read all about it as it was in its prime.

[–] fushuan@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

If you tell that that's a hippie beard in my local metal bar... You might be politely corrected because we are awesome.

Also, punks and metalheads get beards and rings too.

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes they do but ‘ol Jackie boy looks neither punk nor metal in this photo. He looks like a douchebag

[–] ziggurat@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Is it because of the Mel Gibson cosplay?

[–] glibg@lemmy.ca 66 points 3 days ago

Mel Gibson-looking ass

[–] 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 3 points 2 days ago

I've seen that dude in a million and one hipster coffee shops...

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Like it or not, Nostr is the only one that doesn't tie my identity to a server. I've lost several Lemmy accounts during the Reddit migration and I've had to subscribe to new instances all over again. Once it's down, really hard to migrate anything

[–] sk@utsukta.org 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Hubzilla has successfully implemented portable identities for a number of years and i am surprised how its unheard of. Coupled with magic sign-on it has some of the craziest features that are much needed in the broader fediverse.

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

how is it compared to friendica, can you make dislikes not anonymous there too? that was the funniest feature

[–] sk@utsukta.org 1 points 2 days ago

hubzilla is a fork of friendica, yes hubzilla shows all likes and dislikes and the names :D

[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can you link me to the feature? Or at least tell me the name so that I can look it up?

[–] sk@utsukta.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Here are two resources that document these features:

  1. Nomadic Identity: Nomadic identity means true ownership of online identity. With Hubzilla, you don't have an account on a server, you own an identity that you can take with you across the grid. You can clone a channel across multiple hubs for resilience against network failures or censorship, or you can completely move a channel from one hub to another, taking your data and connections with you.
    https://hubzilla.org/help/member/clone
  2. Magic Sign-on https://magicsignon.org/rmagic
[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks I'm interested on seeing how this handles things like likes

[–] sk@utsukta.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

the hubzilla network and some other projects have this implemented and it works nicely, a person on hub1 can simply visit hub2 and interact (like comment etc.) since hub2 authenticates user with hub1 using this protocol. I am not a developer of this but it has been tested and used since a number of years.

[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I get that part. That sounds a of like the fediverse. But that cloning feature looks like you clone everything you do between many instances which is awesome, but I'm not sure how they could clone like counts. AFAIK they would either have to instruct the likers client to go like on the other instances, or trust the number reported by the OP

[–] sk@utsukta.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If someone likes my comment then my account relays that activity to the clones to keep them in sync.

[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

So the other server trusts what your account says? What is stopping you from sending fake likes?

[–] danielsan256@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

There's also Polycentric from the FUTO peeps.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 52 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Jack Dorsey should just fucking stop.

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[–] RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago

Dear Jack:

Please go back to playing with Square and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

Thanks.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I feel like nonprofit should come with default quotations nowadays. At this point it's just a way to avoid taxation during development until you have a feasible route to profitability.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

don't you avoid taxes anyway if you're not profitable?

Nah, you still end up paying state and local taxes. Income/revenue is different than profit.

Plus, being a non profit allows for people like Jack to utilize donations as tax deductions.

[–] triptrapper@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Looks like he and Zuck have the same stylist. Anyone know what this look is called, with the oversized tee and chain around his neck?

[–] vhstape@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 4 days ago

The word you’re looking for is douchebag

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] triptrapper@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

But techbro 10 years ago was an undercut and a leather jacket. I'm hoping there's a label for this iteration.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 13 points 3 days ago

Those were the web-techbros. Then came the crypto-techbros, now we have AI-techbros. Very different styles, as you can see.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

He looks like he’s turning into Mel Gibson.

[–] ozoned@piefed.social 8 points 3 days ago

Techno King Asshole. TKA for short.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago

the “i dress myself and everyone around me is too afraid to tell me it looks like shit”?

[–] Philamand@jlai.lu 13 points 4 days ago

Thank you for the article, it was an interesting read. I don't think he'll make anything better than Mastodon or even Bluesky so I won't try Nostr, but I'll keep an eye on it. It may be interesting to follow.

[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I'm out of the loop, what went wrong with Bluesky?

[–] majster@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago

It's so "decentralized" that political activists from authoritarian countries get deplatformed on request of the government.

[–] Dekkia@this.doesnotcut.it 17 points 3 days ago

He doesn't like it because it's the same as twitter according to him.

Journalists don't like it because they get called out on bullshit there.

jack hates trans ppl and trans ppl made bluesky what it is.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I'm not sure he's the one who fucked it up.

140 symbols and the whole atmosphere I don't like, but I have my own fair set of disorders.

Hashtags are honestly a good idea, just like a social system organized around them.

Except I probably would prefer that to be similar to modernized Usenet. Actually going to pressure my family members to install Briar, want to start using it, and apparently it has such a functionality. Not sure yet. Anyway, the framework under it (right now Briar itself is the only application, but authors have ambitions) definitely would support such a thing. Maybe I'll finally have an incentive to learn Android development.

[–] artifex@piefed.social 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I kinda agree Twitter was born of a more innocent age, and he was just a tech kid with a good enough pitch to get Silicon Valley VC. The problem is that he did little to rein in powers that were purposely using the platform for social manipulation. Then -- when he already knew better -- he went and started Bluesky, which he specifically said was going to counteract all of Twitter's deficiencies, but capitalism got the better of him, so to make the platform attractive to VCs, advertisers, whatever, his team started to ditch what made Bluesky unique in favor of business tools to help it make money. Business is gonna business, it's not 100% his fault, but I can't imagine what will change a 3rd time around.

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[–] MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago (4 children)

What are the differences between Nostr, AT Protocol and ActivityPub?

[–] artifex@piefed.social 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think the main one is that Nostr is supposed to be really simple, and derive some security/privacy from that simplicity. Whereas ATProto and ActivityPub store and forward content so that each rely has a copy, on Nostr nodes the messages are all ephemeral. So it has something of a following with crypto bros and privacy enthusiasts. With nostr IDs are also based on public/private keys unlike ATProto/ActivityPub that use a username@instancename scheme, so signing and identifying content that belongs to a user is easier and more guaranteed to be correct, and your username isn't tied to any specific server "instance"

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