Too many influential and very rich on there most likely. Among all the Republicans probably also a few democrats because we know there are quite a few assholes among those too.
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Because the files vaguely implicate a lot of influential oligarchs who donate to both sides.
We know Trump hung out with Epstein, there are pictures and testimony. It simply doesn't move the needle away from the right. He's just buying trouble.
gdamn thing should have been in the public from day one.
too much powerful people on the list: Hollywood moguls/execs, World leaders(people like belerscuni, eventhough hes been caught already), DEM/GOP mega donors, plus the politicians themselves. RFK jr too, since theres a photo out there him interacting with epstein in 1994, plus the epstein/maxwell had ties to israeli's intelligence so its prudent for them to develop a blackmail list that will force the west to divert resources to israel.
I think it's important to remember that Biden was, perhaps more than any president in my lifetime (and I'm an old man), an institutionalist. He was a senator for just about forever, then the VP for 8 years. He was 78 years old when he became president. He is an old school liberal Catholic, a very nearly extinct person in the Catholic and Christian spheres.
I think he saw his presidency as a repudiation of right wing reactionary politics. His election, in his mind, was in large part a call to what he saw as the original intent and purpose of the executive branch. To put it plainly, he saw himself as elected because America rejected the politicization of government under Trump. Included under that umbrella of beliefs about the purpose of the executive was the unalienable requirement that the executive not direct the FBI to investigate the opposing political party. Remember, Joe Biden was a senator when Nixon resigned. He was there when Nixon was using the executive branch to attack Democrats.
Biden appointed Garland to the DOJ. Garland's record was perfectly fine and appeared well suited to the role, but his biggest strengths (in Biden's mind) was his nonpartisanship and his conservative view of government. By conservative I mean staying within the lines of what the DOJ should be doing, a cautious view of the use of DOJ power. Again, this was done in reaction to Trump and his... let's call it "expansive" view of government power. In Biden's mind, he was righting the ship.
And Garland was exactly as advertised, to a maddening degree. He was cautious to the point of being timid. He refused to throw the weight of the DOJ into investigations with political implications without reaching an imaginary bar of fairness that just isn't realistic. You saw it in the Jan 6th investigations. You saw it in the Kushner deals (and all of the Trump family deals which are obviously dirty). You saw it in Garland's unwillingness to take on wildly politicized federal prosecutor offices because doing so would be political interference (in his mind). You saw it when Robert Hur took unprofessionalism and partisanship to the absolute extreme when attacking Biden under the guise of a special counsel appointment and Garland did nothing because instiutionalism in his mind meant not interfering with the process.
And you saw it in the Epstein case.
Garland did everything by the book to an absurd degree that ended up paralyzing justice. Biden didn't touch Garland or any of it because he believes doing so was itself an injustice, even if Garland was wrong to handle it the way he did. In Biden's mind, the president should not have the power to demand the DOJ take action in a specific case like the Epstein case, especially if there's political implications.
Because people on all sides are probably listed.
- Donors - some donors are implicated - eg Bill Gates
- Bill Clinton - Bill Clinton is a known associate, former president
- Celebrities/Press - Steven Pinker and a lot of the other idiots that dems like to pretend are smart and exceptional are implicated.
- if Dems released it it would probably be easier for trump etc to dismiss allegations as a smear
- Dems did prosecute Maxwell but its not clear anyone else can be charged.
Its clearly stupid to not have released a list of epstein's friends and been like "these people are wanted for questioning"
Because it could hurt rich people and both parties are on the side of rich people.
This is the actual answer, cutting right through the smoke and mirrors and bullshit. Anyone who had the displeasure of reading through the flight logs that were available in their entirety online almost a year ago and probably still are: saw just what names pop up, often multiple times. This is the most bipartisan issue there ever was, so NOBODY in power wants to touch it.
Because spineless Establishment Dems have some obsession with "playing nice," even with vicious MAGA Nazi enemies. I have a million questions, starting with:
Why didn't Biden have HitlerPig and his henchmen arrested within the first 60 seconds after his Inauguration?
Because spineless Establishment Dems have some obsession with "playing ~~nice~~ insider trading
Ftfy.
The Dem party is known as the party of insider trading after all!
They are also on the list.
Well specifically, it is still an ongoing investigation, so nobody has a "complete set of files to release."
In February Pam Bondi said she had the first phase of files in her office, made a big public announcement about having requested all remaining files, and said she was waiting on them to be delivered. She even wrote a letter to Kash Patel about it and publicly released the letter.
Then when she read whatever was in that second half of files that got delivered to her, she suddenly wasn't so eager to release it.
Even more than knowing what is in there about Trump, I would be most interested to know what banks knowingly financed what Epstein was doing. I would guess any bipartisan fears about information in there that could "destroy the country," is more likely related to banks and corporations that are considered "too big to fail," rather than any super scandalous information about individuals.
She released that first phase to MAGA influencers and made a big show out of it. She was asked about releasing the Epstein list and she said it's on her desk along with mlk and jfk files and would release it
Legal Eagle just released a video about "the real Epstein files". The main point they covered in the video is victim impact. The victims could be threatened and harassed because of the info.
Another point not covered is that criminal case info is typically not disclosed. Releasing a list of accused perpetrators (i.e. pedophiles/child rapists) encourages vigilante justice. It also interferes with any ongoing investigations, which should (at least in theory) still be ongoing.
I don't want Trump to release the case info. I want his DOJ to announce charges against people like Les Wexner, based on that info. And I want it to not just be his political enemies and bullshit lies.
Virginia Giuffre would argue otherwise. BTW, she just died. By “suicide”. After being struck with a bus at 110km/h, which would’ve killed most. (Fun fact, police didn’t want to send help to the accident scene).
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/virginia-giuffre-father-death-cause-b2743303.html
Fucking hell. I didn't even know that.
Dig into the bus crash more. It was minor, but Giuffre then checked herself into the hospital and made pretty bizarre claims about her health. Then she went home and killed herself shortly after.
There was nothing nefarious about the crash, and it revealed she was having mental health issues.
That’s correct. Her husband also had a restraining order against her, for him and their children, due to her psychosis. After being released from the hospital, she showed up at his door, begging to see the children. He declined due to her excited state, and recommended she go home and rest. She killed herself that night.
It’s a horribly tragic story of a woman who bore way too much trauma for one lifetime, but it really isn’t suspicious once you read the details.
I very much get the first point. Victims need to be protected at all costs. Even if it means the public doesn’t get to know things.
To the second point, the way Trump handled it felt very much like “case closed, nothing to see here”. This does not feel like justice is going to be served.
Did they cover the part about how Biden's DOJ had absolutely no fucking excuse to take that long to prosecute?
First, Bill Clinton is almost certainly all over them, and older Democrats still think of the Clintons as the epitome of Democratic success. Some of the old guard is still trying to push focus away from the Epstien files. Just two days ago, Nancy Pelosi was calling the Epstien files a distraction, which is a bat-shit crazy thing to say about evidence that could prove that your opponent was involved in a pedophile ring.
Second, Epstien probably has some sort of ties to the intelligence community. I don't know that I believe all these stories about him being a secret Mossad asset, but I think its very possible that the someone in the CIA was using him. Alex Acosta, who prosecuted Epstien in 2008, claimed that he was told to back off because he, "belonged to intelligence," and they're clearly withholding a lot of information, there's definitely something they don't want people to know. Anyway, since 9/11, the Democrats and Republicans have had basically the same position on the intelligence community (essentially, abject deference), so if the CIA says that it would be a national security risk to release the files, the Democrats aren't going to release the files.
Because they are the other side of the same coin as Republicans. Neither side wanna help us much. One side actively trying to make it worse for us while the other one is happy we are living shit but don't want it worse.
why would they? they have nothing to gain by doing so, and biden didnt run on it.
Because a bunch of them are also child rapists
…or they’re friends with child rapists, or owe favors to child rapists. Those three are the only answers that make sense.
That is the more likely true explanation. All of these rich and powerful people know each other, owe favors to each other, have dirt on each other etc. That makes them less likely to put anyone in their circle in danger.
Yup.
Clintons were very good friends with Biden but also trump.
Neoliberals poisoned the party so much that during Epstein's hey day the letter by a name didn't matter, trump himself was a big donor to the Dem party back then.
Neither Biden or trump could release just the names of people they don't like, because they'd snitch on the people they liked and then you're on the hook for protecting the ones you liked.
Someone like AOC is the only shot at a president that would actually release it. We need more politicians who have a loyalty to voters over a party.
Party leadership changes, and we got a rare window right now the party won't block someone like AOC. We can't count on that being true in 2032 if she doesn't feel ready in 2028.
Ready or not, it's time.
That's my thinking, US citizens are prisoners of the immorality of the richest regardless of their political contributions. Trump has masterfully exploited this with the "devide and empire" maxime.
The give reason must be procedual, but the real reason is that the Epstein files undoubtedly also contain the names of democrats or democratic backers. They were more than happy doing nothing with those files.
Because you don't publish details of investigation. You publish indictments once investigation is done. That's essentially weaponization of DOJ.
Republicans were promising to release (and suggesting Democrats are on it). Now as they have the power, they refuse. Claim the files don't exist then that they are fake, then they are boring.
At this point it is very clear that trump is in them.
I think one reason is that democrats wanted to do things by the book, and they didn't want to be accused of tampering with the 2024 election, more than trump already did.
Reminder, when you don't do things by the book, the perp wins in court on technicalities or wins on appeal. For example, see Harvey Weinstein.
That's a decidedly generous interpretation of events
I think the real question is: why isn't anyone on the FBI or whatever agency is responsible for that, willing to just throw that shit onto the internet?
Here is Christine Pelosi, daughter of Nancy Pelosi, saying "It is quite likely that some of our faves are implicated." Democrats and their billionaire owners are just as implicated by this as Republicans.
https://xcancel.com/sfpelosi/status/1147657745253855233?lang=en
Because "High Road" and "Moral Victories" were their focus and always pretend to act surprised when the goal posts are moved by the republicans. At least that's one reason.
because democrats are on it.
Because besides powerful Republicans, powerful Democrats are also implicated (e.g. the Clintons).