How is it licensed, Jigsaw? Eh? What distro is it from? Is that a fucking Snap wheel?
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Ok, this set me off.
What I hadn't anticipated in my 20 years away from Linux was not only had teams of unpaid volunteers been beavering away behind the scenes to make everything work better, other much more enthusiastic teams have been thinking up new and exciting ways to break it again.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as wheel, is in fact, GNU/Wheel, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus wheel.
The Wheel weaves as The Wheel wills.
Use the -w flag and the wheel will weave as you will.
Wtf did not expect a Wheel of Time reference lmao
Reinventing the wheel leads to a profound understanding of why wheels are round.
That's what documentation is for.
Documentation is written exclusively for people with PhDs.
Well, it would have been if people updated it when making changes; now it's just all an incorrect snapshot of an older version of wheel that no longer reflects reality.
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Developer: Kill me if you must but i've turned the wheel into a modular service called systemd-wheel
GNOME developer: "Stop forcing us to use wheels! Why can't you just import GTK in your project?"
The wheel has had a number of innovations over the years. The earliest wheels were flat disks of wood that were heavy and slow turning. The Romans invented spokes and metal rims which made them faster, more durable, and gave them more traction. Questions we need answered: What is this wheel in particular designed to do? Is there any way we could make it work more efficiently at its task? Do we value performance over reliability, or vice versa? Etc. Etc.
I think we need to take a bit of a step back and consider what kind of shed we might use to store this wheel...
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What is this wheel in particular designed to do? Is there any way we could make it work more efficiently at its task? Do we value performance over reliability, or vice versa?
It works fine. It's a perfectly good wheel.
Hey where is Underwaterbob?
He's trapped in that Jigsaw room.
The door is unlocked though?
Yeah, but there is a wheel in there and UWB won't leave until he figures out if there is a way to improve it.
Has any one asked him to?
No
Will he get paid to improve it?
No
What does the wheel do?
You roll it out of the way so you can exit the room.
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Sounds like proprietary blobs.
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Spent months setting up my home server with Docker containers while learning Linux. Everything worked perfectly fine.
Then I realised Ubuntu Server is just a Debian-flavored landfill. Switched to EndeavourOS. Everything worked perfectly fine.
Then I made NixOS my daily driver and thought, "Hey, let’s ruin my weekend." Migrated the server. Everything worked perfectly fine.
Found out I could run containers as systemd services. Replaced Docker out of sheer spite using compose2nix. Everything worked perfectly fine.
Then I heard btrfs was the bee's knees. Reformatted my drives, migrated again, and spent a week learning why subvolumes are better than sex. Everything worked perfectly fine.
Got a free MacBook. Slight hardware bump. Migrated again. Spent hours fighting T2 drivers while deepthroating Tim Apple's cock. Everything worked perfectly fine.
Rewrote every systemd service as NixOS modules. Why? Something something George Mallory. Everything still works perfectly fine.
Did I ever notice a difference from the frontend? Nope.
Was this a good use of my time? Fuck no.
Did it need to happen? Does the pope compile from source in the woods?
Im at the compose2nix phase of this pipeline. Ive got a bunch or sevices in Docker compose files and all of my systems have been running Nix for over a year now. Ive gotten the hang of my repo and made a couple modules for my specific uses and im hooked.
What would you suggest to migrate all my compose files into a nix friendly environment? I use flakes as well.
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"I WOULDN'T BE REINVENTING IT IF THEY DIDN'T FORCE ~~systemd~~ AXLES ON EVERY WHEEL!!!"
sudo systemctl stop sawtrapd
And don't forget
systemctl disable sawtrapd
so it won't restart again.
sysyemctl disable --now sawtrapd to do both in one command.
This is a poorly designed horror trap. Here, let me help you!
We'd rather re-create reality where we know everything rather than taking the time to learn how to use a system someone else wrote.
IT and DevOPS does this too.
I worked with a group once that re-invented XML so that non-technical people could create text-based rules instead of writing code. But it ended up with a somewhat rigid naming structure with control characters and delimiters. The non technical people hated it more the actual XML they had used prior.
You're talking about YAML? /s
LOL. not far off
They started out with something close to YAML. As the project moved forward, they found out they needed to represent logic with interlinked sections. They needed section 3, point a to link back to section 1 point 3, sub point 2. So they toyed with some assembly-like operations. Then they needed some inheritance. They really just slowly re-implemented the common applications of xml one at a time, it just had less brackets and <> symbols when they were done.
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Re: the not-XML-instead-of-code thing. Eventually, this sort of thing turns into a programming language. It's just like carcinisation. Or you wind up writing ever-more code to support the original design. The environment inevitably creates evolutionary pressure that only if/else and iteration logic can solve, forcing the design ever closer to being Turing-complete.
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Does the wheel fall under any cumbersome non free licenses or patents? If I want to modify this wheel to suit my needs, then share that work and information with others, am I free to do so?
If I want to modify this wheel to suit my needs
Steepled fingers
Evil laughing
Another victim!!!
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"Or as I've recently taken to calling it, saw plus trap"
but is it written in 6510 assembly, with cool graphics and catchy music with fast arpeggios?
One of the worst parts about this is that I would never have thought about reinventing it until he told me not to.
Bloody reverse psychology still working on me. >:(
I'll just steal the wheel and reinvent it later
gasp! You wouldn’t download a wheel!
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unjerk: pretty bold to compare software to a wheel. it's more so like some roughly rollable shape which is why some people think they can make it more rollable, and yes those people fail from time to time
Yes, let's not reinvent any wheels to save time and money. What? Why do you have to use three different screens from two different applications to get the information you need for one shipment invoice? Because we didn't reinvent any wheels. You're welcome.
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All those wheels made without any unit tests. What was humanity thinking?
Hmmm what if this wheel could roll itself? If we use the power of 7 suns we could put ~~AI~~ cocaine in it.
But my wheel will be much better. I will start from the center with a very simple skeleton and build on top of it as needed. It will be very modular, elegant and easy to understand. It will be my masterpiece.
Joke's on you, the wheel was reinvented plenty of times.
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