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[–] xorollo@leminal.space 4 points 2 hours ago

That conductor is a total hottie tho

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 13 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I wonder if the early proliferation of rural cars / mega expressways kinda fucked us. When your transportation network grows around trains, upgrading the trains/rails makes good economic sense. We just kind of spread out everywhere quickly and made the train locations somewhat irrelevant.

[–] Mniot@programming.dev 6 points 3 hours ago

No, because cross-country trains and heavy use of them to move goods and people predates cars by quite a bit. Trains were a key component of the North winning the Civil War, for example.

Lots of existing train infrastructure needed to be torn out to make room for car infrastructure.

[–] j_z@feddit.nu 6 points 7 hours ago

I definitely think this is the case. Something akin to tragedy of the commons (or maybe Braese’s paradox?) where small investments for short term gain trumps bigger investments for, comparatively, bigger gains.

Sweden, where I live, is in this situation too where the rail network is 50 years in reparation debt but it’s easier for politicians to budget for small road repairs and say that they make meaningful infrastructure work

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago

Not just trains but all transportation services and systems is severely lacking in this country. Along with crumbling infrastructure and terrible build quality of cars and trucks and you got a recipe for disaster. But no one will care cuz Merica!

[–] dan69@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

America: if ain’t broke don’t fix it Every other country: yah it’s time, what are our new requirements?

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[–] carrylex@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (7 children)

we

Is this some sort of US problem that I'm too not-US to understand?

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[–] caboose2006@lemmy.world 22 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

US Train travel has actually gotten worse since 1996.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, the only reason we still have tracks most places is for freight.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (12 children)

In Capitalist nations, the further we are from the era of peak Unions and in general civil society movements (which was just after WWII) the slower infrastructure improves from one year to the next, something visible not just in trains but at all levels (even National Health Services for those countries which have them).

The same thing will happen in China now that they're getting more Capitalist than Socialist.

It was never the Capitalist part doing the kind of improvements that benefit most people, it was the stuff outside Capitalism (that used it as a Trade Philosophy only) constraining it and guiding it for policy ends which were independent of Capitalism.

This slowing of improvements of course itself accelerated with Neoliberalism, since that stuff is mainly about making Capitalism the sole definer of policy, or in other words make Capitalism the entirety of politics, hence unconstrained and unguided by interests other than those of Money, so ever less policy was done for the greater good.

Capitalism is reasonably decent at optimizing Trade in the short and mid-term, but is completelly shit for non-Trade interests such as Quality Of Life, as well as for anything which doesn't have direct and reasonably immediate action-consequence links such as situations where negative effects are very delayed in time (for example, companies enshittifying their products but keeping on going for years on the inertia of brand name) or emergent in nature (i.e. things that appear due to the accumulation of the actions of many actors, such as Global Warming).

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

That's nature in general.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know if this analysis is true generally, Japan is pretty fucking capitalist.

I would argue it's more a matter of what wing of the capitalist oligarchy has the upper hand. In the US and Canada, it's the extractive fossil capital and that ultimately holds power. In Japan, or the Netherlands it's more the manufacturing.

Don't extrapolate from the US to capitalism in general. It's more nuanced than that.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Whilst I can't speak in an informed way about Japan, I can about The Netherlands and they have been degrading in terms of quality of public services during the Neoliberal era.

Certainly by the time I left (about 15 years ago) the trend was well establish in that country of having Scandinavian levels of tax (but only for people, not for companies) and ever more American-level of public services. For example, they don't have a National Health Service (instead they have Health Insurance) even though taxes there for individuals are significantly higher than in countries which do have one such as Britain or Portugal.

They also use to have a high level of public housing but haven't been building much of it in the last few decades and now have a giant realestate bubble.

The Netherlands is a great example of how even countries which started with a higher level of policies geared towards the good of the many, have a decay of those over time as we get further and further away from the post-War era, especially during the Neoliberal years.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

Yes, but.

It's China. I guarantee you that loads of people got fucked over one way or the other for this improvement. The Chinese government usually doesn't care much for the rights and lives of the individuals

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Plenty of people got fucked over for America's interstate system. You just don't care about them because they're poor minorities

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You say that, but medical debt? Homelessness? Ice concentration camps for brown people? Highest incarceration rates, social credit (credit score), pedophile leaders...

Europeans, feel free to complain about China. Americans have no right to complain about China.

Not to be a tankie, but China taking over the US government would be an improvement

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Hate to say it, but unironically, they would be better off under communist China.

The bar is so fucking low.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

And the West does? Hmm, you learn something new every day.

[–] ThatKomputerKat@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah. Absolutely nothing bad happened to anyone in the rollout of the interstate Highway system. /s

[–] darkangelazuarl@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

Or the US rail system that used exploited labor to build it out.

[–] Mniot@programming.dev 1 points 3 hours ago

Are you suggesting that's why the US hasn't improved trains? Is there something about train improvements specifically that you think is harmful?

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