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[–] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 102 points 1 month ago (14 children)

If digital payments are becoming a service problem, Steam might develop their own.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I actually think ramping up their gift card distribution to more countries might be more effective imo, since people have access to cash or payment systems at physical stores.

[–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Tbh I could not be arsed to go somewhere to buy a gift card to then use it. I'm more likely to use another platform to buy a game.

It’s not that I don’t have values. I just don’t feel strongly enough about using Steam to make that trip just for a gift card.

Digital gift cards would be okay though.

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[–] threeonefour@piefed.ca 76 points 1 month ago (3 children)

For all the people saying Valve should become their own payment processor. PayPal employs 24,000 people. Visa employs 31,000. Mastercard employs 35,000. Valve employs 400. They're not going to 60x their employee count anytime soon.

[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They could do it with significantly fewer people, for themselves and even for GOG, Itch and potentially others. Their use-case is digital payments for games, which is limited in scope and risk. PCI and compliance is a PITA, but manageable.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Is it a payment processor problem, or a card issuer problem though?

[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 month ago

It sounds like some payment processors are treating mastercard's contractual requirements as a hard risk in this case - maybe it's justified, maybe not. Try getting corporate lawyers to be risk averse in the finance world. Mastercard doesn't seem to want to soften their wording but talks platitudes in public statements. Shrug.

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[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

PayPal/Visa/MasterCard do way more than just payment processing for one company.

Valve wouldn't need 25,000 employees just to process payments for their own platform.

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[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 63 points 1 month ago (20 children)

Uh...just use your credit/debit card directly within steam?

Why rely on the scummiest third party payment app that's ever existed in the world?

[–] Gorillazrule@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I agree with the sentiment, but the reason they're looking at third party apps is to avoid the control that payment processing companies have over censorship following the whole Visa/MasterCard issue.

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[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because, even if you do have a fully functional credit card which is not a given in many countries, US-based CC payment processors like Stripe are equally horrible third-party companies that gobble up all the data they can get their hands on somehow.

Seriously. You cannot even start "free trials" on US-based websites without handing over everything a bad actor would need for fraud or even identity theft.

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[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago (20 children)

Perhaps it's time Valve get into its own payment business.

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I expect the established banking/credit card industry is not likely to let Valve into their systems just to circumvent their restrictions. Valve would need to be able to validate Visa/Mastercard/Discover etc cards issued by any bank and be able to credit/debit them.

[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

The problem is that if you make a PayPal equivalent, you're still beholdent to MasterCard and Visa since you need them for people to actually add money to their account, and if you want to make a direct competitor to MasterCard and Visa, that's basically impossible without government support because they're way too entrenched, why would a business support a random new payment method that nobody is using yet.

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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 54 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Good time to delete my PayPal. 👌

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I thought that my account was deleted years ago, but recently found out it still existed.

Deleted now!

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[–] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 39 points 1 month ago

So paypal is unreliable, is the takeaway.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 38 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] comador@lemmy.world 75 points 1 month ago

Paypal changed banks and cannot accept currencies from most countries, resulting in the failures Steam is seeing. Source:

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/bpXXUDhPvYgsNn4SsrcdwD-1200-80.jpg

[–] NanoooK@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago

It's written in the article, related to the currency used.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

you can no longer

♫ pay your own waaaaaaaay ♫

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 38 points 1 month ago (31 children)

I wouldn't mind seeing a ValvePay system. 1% transaction fee, available to anyone who wants to use it, including OnlyFans, Itch, Kagura, DLSite, and others. Valve can team up with Japan, the EU, and Brazil to handle their respective ends of the business, so that Valve can focus on the United States.

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[–] BlindFrog@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago (3 children)

https://voidfox.com/blog/payment_processor_fun_2025_making_your_own_msp/

Someone breaks down why it'd be a monumental task for Valve/Itch to vertically integrate the whole payment processing thing into their business. The essay is highly readable.

The only thing I had to look up was
Escrow: a financial arrangement w/ a third party who holds/manages funds on behalf of two parties in a transaction

My takeaway was that Valve/itch/GOG would still be beholden to the banks who track porn as high risk for fraudulent transactions.

So what can we do about it? ~asking in earnest, btw. I buy porn and toys like a regular ass person, too~

[–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Monero/XMR or GNU-Taler may be good alternatives. As for Banking, well.... There are OpenSource Core-Banking-Systems like Apache-Fineract

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[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Use Monero I fucking guess?

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If Valve did it, they'd make crypto insanely popular. They are pretty incentivized to do it right now, so it would not surprise me if they tested it out soon.

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If valve had the power to enter the payment processing industry, I would support.

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Good riddance. Shady company from none other than the Muskrat.

I think thiel is worse, also involved.

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"In early July 2025, PayPal notified Valve that their acquiring bank for payment transactions in certain currencies was immediately terminating the processing of any transactions related to Steam. This affects Steam purchases using PayPal in currencies other than EUR, CAD, GBP, JPY, AUD and USD," the message states.

"We hope to offer PayPal as an option for these currencies in the future but the timeline is uncertain.

There are currency conversion services all over the world that manage to do this. How hard can it possibly be to partner with an existing service to do the conversion as part of a transaction?

EDIT: I guess it's possible to do the conversion yourself and have a bank account in one of those currencies to use to do PayPal, so the practical impact is probably limited, but still. PayPal's whole point is to facilitate moving funds from Point A to Point B. You've got one job here, guys.

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Monero works for anonymous payments for cocaine and fent across international boundaries, it can more than handle the illicit video game trade

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The funny thing is that because Master Card is too afraid to actually accept any responsibility, using Master Card directly is still an option:

That means Master Card-powered PayPal Card should work.

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[–] vxx@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Okay, steam cards it is then.

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Barracuda@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The short is that the acquiring bank of PayPal has banned transactions to Steam in all non-Western currencies (exception being Japanese Yen).

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

I would think Steam is big enough to make deals with local card vendors in individual countries.
I bet that would also be a lot cheaper than PayPal.

No need for Steam to make their own as some suggest, it would be insane to have a system just for one business.
And it would be a serious limitation for Steam, because many won't bother signing up for it.

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[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Gotta find a way to a post-money world; money is the enemy.

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[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

C'mon Valve... Make me a credit card pretty please.

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