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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 51 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Explanation:

In the mid-19th century, the British addiction to the dangerous drug known as ‘tea’ created a massive trade imbalance with Qing China. No, really. British taste for tea (and porcelain, and silk) caused an immense amount of silver to flow into China. Like any good merchant, the British simply figured out what good Qing China desired in turn in order to rectify this trade imbalance! Unfortunately, China had little interest in allowing British consumer goods into their markets, and Chinese elites had little taste for British artisan goods.

Luckily, the British stumbled on opium as a desirable trade good! And with their control over India, the Brits set to growing opium in massive amounts and flooding China’s markets with it!

For obvious reasons, when it became apparent that Britain was becoming the trashiest world empire and basing their trade relations on drug dealing, Qing China was not pleased, and restricted imports to destroy the opium trade, the abundance of which had caused opium addiction to become widespread by the drastic drop in price by the increased supply.

Britain did not like this, and decided war was an acceptable solution to keep drug dealing to the Chinese. They won. Twice. And extorted some exorbitant concessions in addition to guarantees for their drug trade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Can you really call it a single 4k+ year old civilization?

Given that they tended to do complete sweeps when they changed dynasties, to the point that almost all of the info around Zheng He's treasure ships (circa 1500) was almost erased from existence insidw what is now China.

Or that the "Great Wall of China" was mostly built to keep slightly different Chinese (and Mongolians) out of "their" China.

[–] thisispiggy@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The written language and culture were pretty much unchanged since the qin dynasty. So it's largely the same civilization.

[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

True, but then you can't very well claim that civilisation was blown up given how it very much survived and thrived afterwards.

The empire on the other hand...

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

They even made a bank to store all that opium money: HSBC.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Open the country. Stop making it be closed.

e: corrected

[–] deathmetal27@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Knock knock

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF *checks notes* HAVING DEFEATED THE NAZIS!! *starts playing WW2 documentary*

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Was it not the Soviets that did that? But I'm sure there's some aristocratic British twat that would like to take credit for it.

[–] CybranM@feddit.nu 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It was a joint effort. The classic saying "WWII was won with British intelligence, American manufacturing and Soviet blood". Neither of the three would've been able to do it alone. Of course the losses were disproportionate, America gained massively economically from the war while Russia and Britain sustained losses.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

True. Figures if you're getting your ass blitzed by an opponent you'll have the most inside knowledge on them.

Many nations were liberated thanks to the Nazi spanking of the Brits, as evil as the Nazis were.

The Brits were starving the colonies then (ie. comitting genocide), akin to the current day starvation of Gazans by Zionists.

The world is an interesting and complicated place. Amazing how good can come from evil, even if unintended.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Lol, China doing the exact same thing today - sell everyone else a bunch of stuff, take the money, but refuse imports to the greatest extent they can manage.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Tea don't forget what we did to India for cheaper tea

[–] Damage@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 months ago

Tea's got a good memory for being a plant

[–] XM34@feddit.org 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Meh, two ancient evil Empires fighting each other. Out of all of Britain's colonies, China is the one I don't feel sympathy for.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why? What did China do to deserve massive amount of Opium flooding their market and if they deserved it, wouldn't that also be true for the US today?

[–] XM34@feddit.org 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You mean except for the exact same shit almost every large empire pulled? Mass executions, violent suppression of minorities and their neighbouring countires, elitism, barbaric punishements and cultural practices that are better of dying out?

And I totally agree. The US in its current form is not worth saving and needs to fall apart for hopefully something better to grow from its ashes.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

You described most human societies till the most recent history. Empire or not.