So Tesla deliberately deleted the data and their executive lied about it under oath, but nobody's going to jail for obstruction of justice or perjury?
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Yup, pretty sure the DA gets to decide if a case is civil or criminal, and DAs all over the country are notoriously cowardly and pro-corporate. They probably considered the $250 million verdict (And the fact that they'd be indicting a CEO with a crack lawyer team) as justification for not pursuing a criminal case.
If corporations are people, why not just lock up the whole corporation, or maybe just the whole C-suite?
Yep, lock up the executives and nationalise the corporation for the duration of whatever jail term a natural person would get for the same crime.
That's the beauty of the system. The CORPORATION gets in trouble, and the Corporation gets fined, and gets severely scolded. It takes all the blame for the actual people.
It's like Jesus dying on the cross for our sins, that sort of thing. Evangelical MAGA Morons should understand that kind of logical chaos.
Ask FL Senator Rick Scott, who was the CEO for the biggest Medicaid fraud in history. His company got fined, he got fined, but he still walked away with about $250 million in stolen Federal money, and no jail time, for the biggest Medicaid fraud in history. He went on to be Governor, and now Senator, the whole time running against "career politicians," as if he wasn't a guy who has made every penny of his fortune off the government.
He was just on video whining about how wrong it was to be discussing legislation to end insider trading by Senators, framing it as liberals wanting to keep people from "making money." No, we want people to make money, but corrupt Senators like Rick Scott shouldn't be able to have a massive loophole to make enormous piles of money for themselves, freely using an otherwise illegal mechanism that would put any of the rest of us in prison for years. It's literally like legalizing bank robbery for Senators.
No, you can't make money that way.
Fine the shareholders. Harshly. That would put a stop to criminal activity pretty fast.
Unfortunately, you need to prove who specifically deleted it and who else ordered or knew of the deletion. Tough to prove in organized crime cases like this.
Companies are people and can be tried as such, you don't need a specific employee you need pattern or practice.
Oh boy, a RICO case
Years ago it would have been, now it's an invitation to reshape the federal government
doesnt thier "autopilot" automatically turn off split second just before a crash.
It also logs the crash data, uploads it to Tesla's servers, and then wipes the local copy.
Wiping that local copy right after a crash sounds like a criminal design to me.
Fuck Elmo
of course they would.
Ah, plausible deniability
Not surprising since they're part of the capital class. Our laws exist to bind the poor (workers) and to protect the rich
Greentheonly, the hacker who helped recover the data in the Miami case, continues to probe Tesla Autopilot computers from a basement workshop strewn with circuit boards and soldering equipment.
That work is only becoming harder, he said, as Tesla is tightening the controls over access to vehicle crash data. “If an accident happened today like this, I won’t be able to extract the data,” he said.
If only we had a functioning regulatory system that would mandate access to this data.
It's honestly insane from a privacy perspective that the car can collect data that even the owner isn't allowed to see. The fact that this is normal is exactly why I won't buy a car made in the last 10 years or so
I don't trust a car that doesn't have a hand cranked ignition.
Plus, I can probably fix it with basic tools and some youtube videos.
Tesla deleted crash information to bot be held liable. So they tampered with evidence, a criminal offense.
Now the investigation needs to start into who deleted that data and on whose orders and all those people will be sent to jail, right?
Right?
You know what, if a company can be a person with the same rights and privileges thanks to citizens United, why can't a company be jailed? Let's just say Tesla broke the law and must spend the appropriate amount of time behind bars, unable to do business.
Or make the CEO's liable, as they are responsible for overseeing the company. Fine the corporation, fine the CEO, and jail them... it seems they can't prevent their corporation from causing harm, and need to be held personally accountable
If their job is so high paying, I figure that's an acceptable risk of being a CEO. I'd take that offer—making damn sure I'm not having my assets seized and going to prison because someone else is corrupt/criminal
But... They didn't delete the data. The hacker found the data. It was there.
They lied under oath. Aka perjury. Also illegal.
As I understood the article, they DID delete the data, just that the hacker found it anyways
Don't post pictures of text. Blind people cant read it. Just copy and paste.
Also, I was siiting here in the dark with dark mode and couldn't even read it because I got blinded like staring into 1000 suns.
How and why cars need regular access to the Internet I'll never know.
Do you want realtime traffic updates, live charger status, streaming entertainment, software updates, emergency crash response, Wi-Fi hotspot, remote alarm status and controls, remote telematics? If yes to any of those, then you have your answer.
Of course, simply having a connection opens it up for privacy abuses, just like a smartphone, there are number of reasons why consumers would want a connected vehicle.
What if the answer to a lot of those is either, "why would I want that?" or "we all have a device that dies that already".
- realtime traffic updates - phone
- live charger status - phone
- streaming entertainment - phone
- software updates - not without express approval
- emergency crash response - I see some value here
- Wi-Fi hotspot - why
- Remote alarm status and controls - no
- remote telematics - absolutely not
For sure, I agree the phone integration is a better solution and could easily take the place of any connection requirements for the vehicle, was just providing insight into why any consumer might justify it.
Why the manufacturers push it would be a totally different answer...
Why the manufacturers push it
- realtime traffic updates - subscription revenue
- live charger status - subscription revenue
- streaming entertainment - subscription revenue
- software updates - remove features, introduce bugs or send advertising so you buy a new car
- emergency crash response - mandatory by law in eu
- Wi-Fi hotspot - subscription revenue
- Remote alarm status and controls - subscription revenue
- remote telematics - they sell it (the user manual for the seat mii explicitly says that)
Exactly
"it's all computerrrr"
So are you one of those flying down the road staeing at your phone.
Android Auto and Car Play are both systems that allow phones to display content on the cars screens. I drive and older car, but installed a new head unit that has Android Auto. I have all the same features I want from a connect car, without it being connected.
My cars infotainment system is essentially a thun client for my phone. It works great. It connects automatically a few seconds after I start the car via Wi-Fi from my phone, so I don't even have to take my phone out of my pockwt when I get in.
No, your car has an external screen for your phone, so you look at your car the same way you would with an integrated system, but the connectivity comes from your phone.
… no. I don’t really have a need for most of that. And some of it is downright dangerous.
I saw the video of the dashcam, the driver is speeding at night in an unfamiliar country road and he's playing the phone. The "autopilot" disengaged dozens of times that night due to distracted driving, yet that asshole is continuing to override the speed limit while watching that fucking phone.
Did I understood right that the killer was able to settle for a monetary compensation instead of doing decades of prison for manslaughter?
The family should decide. If they prefer millions and they're prison abolitionists, that should be the result.
A evil corporation lied to avoid legal responsibility for killing people? Unbelievable, I never would have guessed.
But it's fucking Tesla 0 accountability
The "article" is literally just one paragraph?
No its paywalled. A 20 minute read or so.