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The backlash against Israel is starting to show across sports and culture (www.independent.co.uk)

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[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 111 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

i feel so awful for antizionist jews who are facing a rising tide of shit like "you know jews, always doing genocide"

israel is fueling antisemitism and calling anyone who resists it antisemites. this genocide has almost nothing to do with judaism and jewish identity and everything to do with colonialism and european identity.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And jews that do speak out against the genocide get pummeled by Israel and they shut up after that, making the overall sentiment against jews even worse.

[+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

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[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

it's antisemitic as fuck. i can't think of anyone who hates Judaism more than the Likud, choosing to erase much of our history to create a new neovolkisch history. israel is trying to finish what the nazis started: a complete erasure of the jewish identity as anything other than a collective of spite and duplicity. it's completely infuriating both that they should do this and that it is working.

israelis terrify me. they inherited all the same foods and stories i did, and their capital is named after a city my great great grandmother loved, and their takeaway isn't that our purpose in this world is to help others resist genocide, but instead that… they should commit genocide to ensure… something. their interpretation of my identity is so far afield of my interpretation that i can't even fathom what the fuck they're doing.

it makes me so angry

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

In case you were wondering, they don't actually believe anything, they are cynical to the Core, nihilists believing only in self-interest. Forcing their others into ghettos that they are trying to exterminate, including using starvation with exact repeats of the European ghettos like Warsaw.

The rumors about Epstein being an israelli honey pot clearly were not false. Our lawmakers and Business Leaders across the West must have some serious dirt on them to prevent them from stopping even such a blatant in your face repeat of the Holocaust.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I haven't seen almost anyone saying "you know Jews, always doing genocide".

It's pretty consistently "you know Israel, always doing genocide".

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

lucky you. it's a little different for me being amongst those antizionist jews i was mentioning. i run into that shit at least once a week

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Literally had a conversation with an antisemite today who blames all Jews for Israel's actions

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

it's exhausting speaking out against genocide while at the same time defending yourself from accusations of being pro genocide. best i can do is best i can do to live my life in a manner that inhibits racists from their aims

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Even if you don't think it's happening already though, obviously it's going to head that way. That's just human nature.

[–] needanke@feddit.org 0 points 2 weeks ago

https://lemmy.world/comment/19501592

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

israel is fueling antisemitism and calling anyone who resists it antisemites

One of the big effects of this is that it really waters down the term antisemite. If someone gets called an antisemite for saying Israel is committing a genocide, then an actual bona-fide antisemite gets antisemitic, the former person will be biased towards believing the label is unjustified on them as well

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i've also seen some people come to hate all jews because israel's rhetoric has led them to the conclusion that antisemitism must be a positive thing. it's such a fuckin' nightmare

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Israel is basically Satan shaped into a state, but let's not forget that they could've never done what they've done throughout the years without the complete support from their Western peers back home. In this case, the West's actual hatred of the Jews is getting mixed with the desire for accountability from the 3 righteous folks over there, and Israel is being "scapegoated" because the Zionist project, just like the other Western colonialist projects, is soon to collapse and the powers that be no longer find it a good investment. And I said scapegoated not because Israel is not guilty but because it's a shared crime against humanity, and the West is doing a Pontius Pilates and washing the blood off their hands, pretending to be innocent because accountability is not a known Western trait and it would be hard/impossible to push a narrative that hurts people's feefees. Remember that this thorn on humanity's side was not just created by the British and the French over a century ago, but that even some months ago British ships were protecting Israel against retaliatory drone strikes after the latter suddenly bombed Iran with the help of the Americans (which is the height of Western civilization, the other Franco-British child, the unmasked soul of the West and the final destination for every nation that shares its ethos)...

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What do you mean by "their Western peers back home"? Are you suggesting Israelis are Westerners and not Middle Easterners?

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

they are. israelis are European colonials whose claim to the Levant is tied to a diasporatic exodus during the late roman empire. Palestinians are indigenous to the Levant, just like the israeli colonists' ancestors from 1200 years ago. however, the Jews that spent their time in Europe, the Ashkenazi, that dominate israeli settler politics have been disconnected from the Levant for so long and integrated into European society so deeply as a means of survival that their claims to be the rightful heirs to the Levant no longer make sense without needing to erase the history of the Palestinians, many of whom themselves maintain Jewish cultural traditions the Ashkenazi lost.

so they erase the Palestinians and their stories, just like the Europeans they've been around for the last couple millennia did to them. if you truly believe that israelis are from the near east, plain and simple, then there are significant chunks of your understanding of history that are either missing or are outright russian/German/israeli fabrications. i suggest you spend some time reading about the history of my people over the last 200 years to understand that Zionism and the current israeli state are a reactionary response to antisemitic violence in Europe in the late 1800s, and that Zionism is not a universal approach to Jewish identity with the other response to that violence being a philosophy known as doikayt. while you're reading, too, focus on non European perspectives on what Palestinians call the Nakba, or tragedy. It's the loss of their ancestral homelands that they've been on for 20k years to Europeans claiming to be from there.

but if you don't, then please take the following truth with you: the Likud is a white supremecist European colonial project, just like the united states and manifest destiny, or russia's subjugation of minority peoples across their Asian territory.

[+] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works -8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a massive post that could have been more effectively summed up as "Yes Im that racist and I know fuckall about history"

Factually the majority of Israelis are from Middle Eastern nations whose relatives were expelled when Israel was created so it is factually inaccurate to suggest that Israelis are Europeans when the above covers roughly 55% of the population.

Some Palestinians might have ancestry with the original native groups but we would have noway of being able to determine this. We factually do know that there was significant Arab migration into the area at various points and the modern population is related to these Arabs. To be clear there is no "native" population to the Levant that can be proven in any way right now.

While I agree Likhud is racist and largely counterproductive you have so many overtly factual errors in addition to the overt racism it is difficult for me to take you serious at all.

[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Israeli prime ministers.

David Ben Gurion 1948 - 1953. Born in Poland Moshe Sharett 1953-1955. Born in the Russian Empire (modern day Ukraine) David Ben Gurion 1955 - 1963. Born in Poland Levi Eshkol 1963 - 1969. Born in Russian Empire (modern day Ukraine) Yigal Allon 1969 (interim PM). Born in Palestine. Father born in Belarus. Maternal grandfather born in Ukraine. Golda Meir 1969 - 1974. Born in Russia. Yitzhak Rabin - 1992 - 1995. Born in Palestine. Father born in Ukraine. Mother born in Belarus. Shimon Peres - 1995 - 1996. Born in Poland. Benjamin Netanyahu 1996 - 1999. Born in Israel. Father born in Poland. Mother born in Palestine, but was a US citizen. Parents migrated from Lithuania to the US Ehud Barak 1999 - 2001 . Born in Palestine. Mother born in Poland. Father born in Lithuania. Ariel Sharon 2001 - 2006. Born in Palestine. Parents born in Russia. Ehud Olmert 2006 - 2009. Born in Palestine. Parents born in Ukraine and Russia. Benjamin Netanyahu - 2009 - 2021 Naftali Bennett 2021 - 2022. Born in Israel. Parents from the US Yair Lapid 2022. Born in Israel. Father born in Yugaslovia. Mother born in Israel. Maternal grandfather born in Transylvania. Benjamin Netanyahu 2022 - present

It is true that much of the Israeli population is middle eastern. However the political of Israel has been European from it's founding until today.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

(which is what we were talking about until they shifted the goalposts to mean all Jews living within Israeli controlled territory)

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ikr? All these Germanic and Eastern European "Semites". 🤣

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Btw I should've just said "European peers (Americans included, ofc)" but somehow I can't correct my previous post.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mizrahi Jews are 54% of the population and the Ashkenazi and Sephardic populations are still Jewish people.

Unless you are so fucking racist that you think "Semite" is a skin tone your reply makes zero sense.

[+] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

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[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

100-54=46 46<50 so not half.

Most Jewish people did not have last names they got them after the migration into Eastern Europe. Many have European last names due to the history of European antisemitism. The fact that you bring this up as something these people chose, rather than it being forced on them as was typically the case, really highlights how poor your understanding isof the history of Jews in Europe.

No one is paying me I just speak out against overt racism when I see it. You are racist, bad at math and have a shit grasp on history. Do you want a ladder to get out if that hole you keep digging? I'd be perfectly fine with you self creating an oubliette.

[+] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

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[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You are suggesting that the Jewish population of Europe isn't Middle Eastern in their origins. That's overtly false and a common racist claim.

If you don't want to be called out then don't give anyone a reason.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

hey. could you stop peddling the racist horseshit that European Jews aren't European and claiming that you're the antiracist one for it? no one is claiming that the Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews don't have ties back to the Levant. but it was a popular antisemitic propaganda angle to claim that we had no ties and no home in Europe, so ethnically cleansing us was totally fine and cool.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I never said they weren't European but framing it as "Europeans killing Europeans is inaccurate"

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

who said anything about europeans killing europeans? what are you talking about? we're talking about a colonial settler state ethnically cleansing an indigenous population. and the settler state's politics a dominated by white europeans, and the indiginous population is made up of jews, muslims, christians, and non practicing secular people. what you said doesn't relate to what you're saying it does in any way that makes sense to anyone else, and then when we try to explain that it doesn't make sense you call us racist and then say some of the most racist stuff i've seen in a while.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 62 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

About fucking time eh?

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This is a cowards response to genocide. Israel should be economically sanctioned and embargoed. All Israeli visas should be cancelled. Every Israeli government or military member should be charged and imprisoned if they leave Israels jurisdiction.

They should be ostracised from the international community. Only Israeli's who publicly oppose Israel should be allowed asylum.

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The correct response would be for one of the other nuclear-armed powers to come in with the Navy in land and amphibious invasion into Gaza and start shooting down any Israelis in the territory attacking it and reconstructing it.

France or the uk or the us could end this.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i think you are underestimating the difficulty of an amphibious assault. i think it's the right answer, but it's net a simple action, and any and all amphibious assaults have the US Navy to contend with, a military power that is horrifically overscaled. the US Navy has approximately 10x the deck space of any other country

[–] raman_klogius@ani.social 22 points 2 weeks ago

because finally the things going on (Gazan genocide), the perpetrator (satan bibi) and the #1 supporter (the US administration) has all become intolerable all at once.

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

This is a very bad long term plan by Israel, turning the whole world into anti semites.

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Is it though?

Nothing has changed because our leaders in business and politics all have video of them having sex with underage children and or numerous other crimes in the possession of Israel. Until that changes Israel will remain with unaccountable support. Not even killing millions of people in concentration camps will shake their support from our lawmakers. And apparently we can't change our lawmakers either. Of either party.

[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago

They are sure to silence any Jewish people who don't agree with the regime and the genocide. It's a VERY controlled country and free speech does not exist.

Israel has always been a problem that the world can't help because they refuse to be helped. They just want more weapons and death.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That'll show them!

[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So whatchu been doin?

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For one, I protest with my wallet

[–] Ch3rry314@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

Haven't I seen several recent links of samsung to Israel?

The first item was Apple recommending Samsung as an alternative.