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Ukraine’s president says Kremlin checking Europe’s capacity to protect its skies following new drone sightings

Vladimir Putin will expand his war in Ukraine by attacking another European country, Volodymyr Zelenskyy has predicted, and accused Russia of recent drone incursions that he said were an attempt to test Nato’s defences.

Speaking in Kyiv after his meeting with Donald Trump at the UN in New York, the Ukrainian president said Russia was preparing for a bigger conflict. “Putin will not wait to finish his war in Ukraine. He will open up some other direction. Nobody knows where. He wants that,” he said.

Ukraine’s president said the Kremlin was deliberately checking Europe’s capacity to protect its skies, after drone sightings in Denmark, Poland and Romania and the violation of Estonian airspace by Russian fighter jets. More drones were spotted on Friday night above a Danish military base, and over a Norwegian base on Saturday.

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[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 111 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'll just be over here quietly cheering "two fronts" because I'm sure it'll go well for them

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That may sound cheer worthy, but considering they very obviously can't handle even 1 front, attacking another country would have to be for a different reason, a more problematic reason.

[–] Forester@pawb.social 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Can you expound on the later part of your thought? I'm struggling to picture a scenario in which the Kremlin purposefully opens a second front. The purpose of these airspace raids is to saber rattle and make it so Europe beefs up its defenses and is less likely to give equipment to Ukraine and instead use it domestically.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can speculate it could be to frame this war as a war against nato, or to get a reason for full scale mobilization, or to get a reason to use nuclear weapons.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Nuclear weapons use" is an element of their doctrine for foreign policy influence.

They are not fucking idiots. But they do recognize that "nuclear blah blah" works well with cowardly westerners.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (10 children)

They are not fucking idiots? They absolutely are fucking idiots. And they are being backed into a corner. A lot of stuff can happen.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

What are you thinking exactly?

My main idea on why they'd escalate is because they're sure the EU and NATO will fold this time, definitely, for certain.

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[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They should try their luck in Afghanistan again.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That would put them in direct competition with us now that Trump wants the air base back and says he is willing to go to war with Afghanistan to do it.

[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm not a history guy, when was the last time invading Afghanistan went well?

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago

They call that place the graveyard of empires for a reason, I don't think it's ever gone well.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I think it was back in 1219. It lasted until just 1227. Does 8 years count as went well? Or is that too short?

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[–] lietuva@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

lots of these events that have occurred might have happened out of inertia. It might be that russians miscalculated and the war in Ukraine should have ended by now, and all these actions are part of a bigger plan

[–] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago (2 children)

One guess is all that it should take, given the existing historical precedent.

[–] chiocciola@lemmy.cafe 13 points 1 week ago

Haha. Which is also why Poland is trying to be able to shoot down objects in Ukraine airspace.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The US maintains a defensive contingent in Poland. Even with how much Trump loves the taste of Putins cock, I don't see how he could justify doing nothing about dead American soldiers. And even if the US, stays out of the fight, Poland itself is armed to the fucking teeth and has the rest of NATO backing them. Does Putin want unsupervised Canadians in Moscow? Because this is how you get unsupervised Canadians in Moscow.

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[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 week ago (5 children)

There might be some merits to this. Trump did recently, without a reason, changed his tune to protecting Ukraine again.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think it's because he's become obsessed with the Nobel Peace Prize.

[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He was always been since Obama got it. So nothing changed about that.

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Is it Cambodia?

That would suck cause they just endend that war with Armenia.

[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 25 points 1 week ago

Is this you, Ken M?

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Moldova is for sure not safe right now.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I was reading earlier about Russian misinformation networks relating to Moldovan elections. Scary stuff.

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (10 children)

But why? They can't even do one front well, Russia sucks at war

[–] orgrinrt@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I have a pet theory that Putin is attempting to get a big reaction from NATO, so that he can then internally use that as an excuse why the war in Ukraine did not end well, and why they had to ultimately concede points they earlier held they wouldn’t in the eventual peace negotiations.

Not winning against Ukraine would be shameful for him, especially after all the messaging done about Ukraine not even being a real country.

Not winning against the entirety of NATO, on the other hand, sounds reasonable and understandable. But just saying that isn’t very persuasive. He needs imagery of destroyed Russian equipment in another NATO country or something concrete like that, to show that NATO truly is involved and waging war against Russia. That’s would also justify the initial reasoning for this misguided excursion — NATO is indeed warring against us, it was all justified! See these images of dead Russians in the Baltic Sea! The flaming Russian jets! See the havoc the big bad NATO wreaks on us poor Russians! We stand no chance, we have to settle for peace, those bullies are too strong now, and they are evil in their ways! In order to survive, we must concede a bit, lest NATO comes and bombs you and your family in the night like the thugs they are! gesturing at the constant dramatized imagery of destroyed Russian equipment in some NATO region

I’m convinced the economy, despite currently running on the war, is finally slowly collapsing to the point of it being visible to the peasants, perhaps showing inconvenient signs of that with the gas shortages across Russia, whatever else they are trying to keep under wraps. I think it’s starting to get embarrassing unless something changes and they can play victim to some bigger baddie yet again terrorizing good pious Russians. Maybe they have determined they can’t keep the effects contained no longer, and the seams will start to burst soon, so they need something that justifies the peace negotiations and conceding some of their strict conditions for the peace. Otherwise the people might just start seeing how fucked they are and rise up.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Nice take, I also subscribe to the theory that the Russian narrative is a lot more important than land gains. To be able to sell an "Underdog but growing empire despite evil holding us back" narrative would definitely be useful and a good exit strategy.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not saying this is why... but in theory if he can go through another country to do an end around on Ukraine, he can trade that other country to keep Ukraine. Or even if nato needs to defend itself, it might not spend as much on defending Ukraine. Just guesses though. And they still seem like bad reasons.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He's grabbing as much as he can for leverage, so he can trade back part of it for peace, but not all of it. Thus he still grows his empire despite having an army at its breaking point.

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[–] easybre_bb@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Because they’re hoping to pull other “axis” countries into the fold. There’s a wider conflict on the horizon, and Russia has its side it is looking to pull in to assist them. Large scale maybe even world war looms around the corner.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Apparently, Putin never learned to swallow your food in manageable chunks before moving on. I think he will end up choking to death.

[–] slevinkelevra@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It'll work as long as Russia is still useful for China.

[–] mercano@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Russia’s joint military drills with Belarus has caused Poland to shut down Poland / Belarus border crossings. A lot of Chinese goods are shipped to Europe via rail that goes through one of these crossings, so China is taking notice.

[–] falseWhite@programming.dev 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

He's not stupid to attack a NATO member. So maybe Moldova? But then why is he testing the skies in the other end of Europe and not near Moldova? Nah, he's not going to attack anyone else.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bait and switch? "Hey everyone look over here!"

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[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 week ago

Sounds plausible. We should listen to this guy.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Poland is ready for it, so probably not. Putin isn't one to start something with someone he knows can fight back. He wants a punching bag.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 12 points 1 week ago

Then again, people around him tell him what he wants to hear. Like Ukrainians will welcome his troops in....

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because this one is going so well for him…

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As the Ukrainian front is losing ground, more and more of the staging and deployment is occurring in neighboring Poland and Slovakia. Moldova just voted in a pro-EU government, after a hotly contested election in which each party accused the other of taking support from foreign neighbors. If they align with Ukraine, that opens up a new route of supply into the south, where Russians have made the largest gains in territory.

We have already seen Russian surveillance drones passing through EU airspace, with attacks running right up to the western-most border (and dipping over depending on which intelligence service you ask). We've already seen incursions into Russian territory that have implied support from Finland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuiania, with Russian digital offensives retaliating in kind.

Then throw in the wild card of Israel - a country that is taking a lot of political heat from Europe for its genocide in Gaza and the surrounding Arab states - whose PM has long since demonstrated friendly ties with Putin. Not inconceivable that Mossad and the RSB conduct joint operations on a country that has threatened sanctions on Israel over the genocide in Palestine. Hell, the recent sweeping shutdown of airlines across Europe following the condemnation of Israel at the UN is... conspicuous.

You'd think escalating the war would be suicidal for the Russian economy. And you'd think Europe doubling down on Ukraine at this point would be a recipe for more far-right parties winning elections. So they both have strong incentives to de-escalate. Nevertheless, they persist in one of the worst foreign policy follies since WW1. I wouldn't count anything out, at this point.

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Fresh looting for the war chest, old Vlad the Defenestrator thinks

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