That was how Germany lost its leading position in science in the 1930ies. It was not only Einstein but loads of world-renonwned scientists which emigrated. It even marked the end of German as a common language for top-level science publication.
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If they'd like engineers as well, I'm ready to go too.
If you are experienced and you accept EU salaries in exchange for a social system, you should be able to make it.
Ah, I'm about to graduate. Not much prior experience. Damn.
It's hard to immigrate on a pro visa without experience. Companies are generally accepting to take the risk because you bring skills and experience that are hard to recruit locally, such as senior engineers. If you are still studying, another solution is to pass an additional diploma in EU. A EU diploma will be a strong advantage to stay.
What's the expected cost? (Not counting food and housing)
Depends on the country and uni, but generally lower than the US, 6-8k EUR per semester for people from outside the EU.
Hmm... I think the play may be to stay in the US a little bit longer to build up reserve funds, then try to apply for a visa to make that happen. Hopefully I can stay safe-ish till then.
(Bit of a funny sidenote, that cost is comically lower compared to my current tuition. My current per-quarter tuition is roughly double that, ~15k USD)
In some countries itโs almost free. EPF schools in Switzerland for example are something like 600$ per semester. You only have to pay for some administrative stuff.
But of course you have to pay to live outside of school and thatโs where the fun begins ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
We have two semester per year, do I assume correctly that your cost per quarter is paid 2-3 times per year? If so, damn.
4 quarters per year (Fall, Winter, Spring, Summer), although summer quarters are optional.
Just to add: Germany (and probably other countries, but I'm not familiar) also has a special job type "working student" with some tax and insurance benefits (usually net pay after health insurance of a little under 1000โฌ/month for a 20hr week), which is also a good way to gain experience while under a student visa and in the best case switch to full time employment at the same company (or another one, where you would then at least have some experience working in the country already). We have a few students from outside the EU in my company that are doing/did exactly that.
Of course those jobs don't grow on trees either, but it's a thing that to my knowledge doesn't have an equivalent in the US. Hiring students is much cheaper for companies so quite a few are searching in spite of the low hours (20/week is the legal limit) and usually no experience.
Cern was looking for graduates a while back.
Come to Czechia! I am working in an academic institute at my Uni. Besides experienced candidates we sometimes take students and post graduates (local and international) and we are always short on engineers. Pay is not much but the health and social benefits are worth it for a start. This is probably applicable in any EU state, more developed countries than Czech Republic will have higher salaries, higher living standards (ie Germany, Netherlands, France, etc) but also more expensive services.
Tl;dr: in EU you can work in academia, you get standard employment benefits, but โgovernmentโ pay, still worth it tho
Expect to make much less than in the US, too.
Hello, US born engineer with only US passport, but I now live in Denmark working. Happy to answer any questions you have on it.
The super short is that it's been tough but very rewarding. We left before the last election so it wasn't specifically to run away from trump but that's kinda part of the idea lol
You might want to looking at your ancestry. Many European countries have citizenship by descent. Given that many Americans are originally at least partly from Europe, you might find that you are actually a European citizen.
How do you do this?
My grandparents are dead. Died before I was even born. Parents are maga so that's a nonstarter
It depends on the country, but you need to be able to proof, that your ancestors were citizens of the country and a paper trail proving that you are indeed a descendend of them. So basically figure out where your family is from, what the countries laws are in respect to citizenship by descent and then find the documents showing your relation have them in the right form(translated and approved) and then hand that in. Again the process differes between countries and you might have to talk with your parents to get some of those documents.
... I actually fail from both sides. Without revealing personal history, let's just say I know one side of my family is not from Europe, and the other one is best described as "unknown, but fragmented enough that the answer is unlikely".
As far as I know, engineers are desperately sought after in Germany, for example. On the "Make it in Germany" website, the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy has a section with information for engineers.
Engineers also seem to be in demand in other European countries.
Maybe you'll find something with us โ fingers crossed.
What? My brother as an engineer spent almost a whole year job hunting in Germany. The current market is bad, with the car manufacturers (and their supply chain) kicking Out people left and right.
It is currently very difficult to find good engineering jobs in Germany.
Then a lot must have changed in recent years. I can't judge that myself; I just kind of regularly see reports that demand for engineers is high, but I'm probably not up to date with the latest information.
Yes a lot has changed in the last 2 years alone.
The auto industry is having a hard time with the transition to EVs. They've become very polished at building internal combustion engines and very slow to pivot. Now all that expertise needs to be ditched.
German cars only look polished. This is the industry that started using plastic engine parts with designed fail times.
16000 more project proposals this year, but have they increased the pay of those having to approve them? Nope ๐ญ
Additional context:
The program mentioned in the news is the ERC Advanced Grant. This is a grant for established PIs (professors, mostly) across all research fields and gives a shit ton of research funding... up to 2.5M EUR in five years (which looks like they'd give more for relocation?). I personally find increasing ERC funding a great thing to do, but this is in no way for normal ppl with normal careers lol, it's literally for "top researchers"
I'm surprised they didn't mention the record number of applicants for the Marie-Curie Postdoctoral Fellowship though. MSCA PF is specifically for non-European fresh PhD grads and new postdocs (so not quite top researchers, but close) who come to EU/EEA for work and vice-versa. They saw a record number of 17,058 proposals... +64.6% increase from 2024. Among this, only +17.1% (+181) for EU outbound, but a whopping +70.1% (+6,517) for inbound. I thought the MSCA numbers tells this story much clearer. Also fun fact, the MSCA PF funding pool got a -3.1% slight reduction despite the massive increase in submitted proposals... but anyways here is the 2024 report for scale
Thanks that brings a better perspective indeed!
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how ironic that during the 90s people were leaving europe for the fuarking US. my gramps would be rolling in his grave seeing this.
The collective rolling our great grandfather's are doing could power the United States.
Literally died fighting the Nazis and yet here we are...
Isnโt most of Europe turning facist too? Iโm genuinely asking because American media is reporting that Europe is becoming facist too.
European here. There are many countries in Europe and some are more right leaning than others. Overall, there was a growth in the right wing (commonly mentioned as far-right) on what seems mostly against immigration. Except for Hungary, we are far from fascism. We could end up with fascism as well, but not for now