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[–] WhiteRabbit@lemmy.today 63 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

What a coincidence - I just finished the Manhunt: Unabomber TV series. It’s well made, reminded me of Mindhunter. And very sympathetic towards Ted Kaczynski actually. Highly recommend it if you haven’t seen it.

[–] porksnort@slrpnk.net 54 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I am staunchly against randomly murdering people with package bombs. But they put that poor man through hell with the MK Ultra stuff.

The big monsters that run our world turned a brilliant mind into a little monster. A massive tragedy from every angle

[–] RFKJrsBrainworm@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do you know what they actually did with Ted in MKULTRA? It wasn't drugs in his case.

[–] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He was the isolation subject, no? Pretty much made the guy a patsy to get him socially exiled from his college campus while they ran him through the program?

[–] RFKJrsBrainworm@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No they set him up with a prosecutor out of Boston that Ted thought was another student. The prosecutor's job was to argue against any position that kaczynski took... Completely undermining his internal Tom Tom

Debating

[–] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

Right! Thank you, frankly that era of Cold War adjacent shit makes me feel like I need to give my computer a bath just thinking about it. Appreciate the reminder!

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[–] porksnort@slrpnk.net 45 points 3 days ago (7 children)

That’s going to be me and my peeve regarding the malapropism “assless chaps”.

Chaps with asses are PANTS!

(Turns back to manual typewriter and resumes typing furiously.)

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

To me when someone says assless chaps it refers to the configuration of wearing chaps without anything underneath. Similar to "going commando" being a configuration of clothing meaning pants with no underwear.

[–] porksnort@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago

Yeah, but I’m still gonna be salty about it.

[–] TheOneAndOnly@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

In that case, I feel like the correct phrasing should be pantsless chaps.

[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Indeed, chaps by definition have no ass.

They’re assless pants, really.

Tangentially, I hate it that pulling someone’s pants down became popular and was called “pantsing.” You’re not putting pants ON the person…

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My (completely un-researched, straight from my ass) hypothesis is that the term comes from British English and not American English. In the UK "pants" are your underwear, so "pansting" somebody is exposing their underwear.

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Weird, I thought they were called bloomers or knickers.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago

Those are girl's pants.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I hate it that pulling someone’s pants down became popular and was called “pantsing.” You’re not putting pants ON the person…

Do you feel similarly about shelling peanuts?

[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Oh excellent point, I hadn’t thought about it.

I think it’s different for parts of living things.

Shelling is removing the entire shell. “Peeling” something doesn’t mean adding peel, and “pitting” means removing the pit.

However, for bodies, removing skin in general is “skinning,” but if you lose the skin of just your hand it’s called de-gloving. Removing the bowels isn’t called “boweling,” but “disembowling.”

If I said someone did a “shirting,” maybe I’m weird but I’d think of getting hit with a shirt before removing someone’s shirt. And in hockey, a “jerseying” is more about pulling the jersey over the head than removing it.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Removing the bowels isn’t called “boweling,” but “disembowling.”

But the synonymous process of removing the guts is called gutting.

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[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago

The difference between pants and chaps is more than just the presence or absence of an ass. There's the whole area between the legs. You can have chaps with an ass in the same way you can have a shirt with sleeves.

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Counterpoint, saying "assless" is fun, and saying "assless pants" would probably make most people confused

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that brother is a fucking snitch

[–] jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (16 children)

Is it really pedantry if the phrase makes no sense with the incorrect order

Its like "I could care less" - so you do care? Start making sense and I'll understand you. Words have meaning god damn it.

[–] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If a phrase conveys the opposite of their literal meaning, and the speaker and the audience both know it, then it is pedantic. Choosing to derail whatever the topic is in favor of criticizing someone's understandability when everyone did understand them is pedantic.

I get it, I hate the way people use "literally". It's terrible, it's usually unneeded, and it just makes any actual correct use of literally have less impact. But I'm not gonna correct people who say it wrong, because I do know what they meant.

If they said "I could care less" and you're comfortable enough in your understanding of the conversation to know for a fact they actually mean they do not care about it, then they did make sense and you did understand them.

[–] GandalftheBlack@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago

And of course literally has been used in both sense for hundreds of years.

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[–] FundMECFS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

It’s only pedantry if you force others to do it your way.

[–] AugustWest@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

It’s not like that at all. “I could care less” is just wrong. The phrase is “I couldn’t care less.” “I could care less” is more like “one and the same” or “for all intensive purposes.”

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[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Just because you’re being pedantic doesn’t necessarily mean you’re wrong to say it.

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[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Apparently I never understood this saying until today.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I still don't think I fully understand, even as the unabomber put it. Can't eat it and have it? Like, I can't consume and expect the thing to remain, that it?

Side note: only in English, one can "understand", but nobody can "overstand" and anybody that "stand" is doing a wholly different thing.

[–] Kovukono@pawb.social 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It comes down to "You can't have the best of two situations. Pick one."

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago

Ah, that's much more helpful, thanks!

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Yes it means for you to get one cake. Then eat the cake and yet still have the one cake you got.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

The phrase makes no sense to me at first glance because if I say "I'm going to have some cake" what I mean is I am going to eat it.

[–] Logical@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Weirdo. The rest of us mean that we are going to posses some amount of cake for a period of time.

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

Don't speak on my behalf. That's not what I mean when I say I'm having some food. "Yes waiter I'll have the steak. Not for eating. Just for possessing ike a psychopath."

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What do you want to do with cake other than eat it though? Apart from saving it for later because the only thing you'd be saving it for later is to eat it later.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Own the cake, obviously.

[–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can't eat your cake and eat it too!

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[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 days ago

There was a reverse of that scenario in our neck of the wood where the murderer phoned the cops with details only he would know (from a payphone close to where he worked), and although his voice was recognized by a relative, his (somewhat successful) defence was that he never pronounced "creek" as "crick."

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd love to hear the Unabomber's takes on "taking a piss/shit."

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I leave a shit, there's no shit when I return, so presumably someone came and took a shit. What they did with that shit, I prefer not to know, but I'm not going to fault such a vital function.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

LOL that's awesome.

The statement has been around since the 1530s; it's probably due for some modernization.

That's goddamn wild

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Reminds me the advice "when commiting crime put a rock in your boots so people can't recognize you by your walking style."

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