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Historically, it has always taken violence to remove fascists from power.

Fundamentally, elections were designed to be a peaceful alternative to the peasantry revolting against the government and beheading their king. As Americans come to grip with the reality that their elections are meaningless, their politicians are bought and their only alternative to fascism is fascism-lite with a pride pin (no trans ppl allowed though) this attitude will continue to fester.

There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to a descent into fascism.

There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to massive wealth inequality.

You can't argue nazis out of your government. Churchill didn't convince Hitler to back out of Poland over a friendly cuppa.

violence is already happening, it's just that people are too scared to fight back against it

It’s a horrific moment to see that people honestly believe that there’s no other alternative at this point than to resort to political violence.

I mean… is it? I think it’s pretty obvious in the context of the regime essentially giving itself carte blanch to perpetrate political violence on its desired scapegoats and opponents.

I’m frankly getting pretty fucking tired of people complaining about how this is a startling development and being shocked by what’s happening. They wrote a playbook back in 2019. They published it on the open internet. They said they would follow it. They are now following it. You are not allowed to be surprised by any of this.

Guns do not protect you from Fox News.

I disagree with Lemmy (and the growing public sentiment), but for the opposite extreme reason: we are beyond violence changing things. This is a propaganda/reality war, and truth doesn’t really matter.

30%, 50%, 70% means nothing if no one takes action.

The French, the orcas, allegedly Luigi. We have to follow their example. Anything less is just glazing at how "comfy" sitting on the frying pan feels.

America, you have the right to bear arms for a reason.

Well, just WHO THE FUCK is responsible for pushing it off-track, hmmmmm? It didn't push itself off-track. It was only a year ago when we had an economy that was the envy of the world, and was called Goldilocks, etc. What happened since?

I wish just for once that the fucking Republicans, most especially all the dumbass voters, took responsibility for all the trouble they have caused.

Well if an ICE officer stops my husband based on his appearance we’ve both agreed that we should resist that arrest.

That would end in violence and probably our deaths. What else can we do? Let them take us god knows where?

We need a general strike. The country would be brought to its knees if deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would've had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.

If you aren't in a union, then please consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you'll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we finally manage to enact one (the UAW is planning one for May 1st 2028, but it could happen sooner)

• 🌍 US/Global: IWW (Français) - (Español)

And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn't listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above.

• 🇦🇷 Argentina: FORA
• 🇦🇺 Australia: ASF-IWA
• 🇧🇷 Brazil: FOB
• 🇧🇬 Bulgaria: ARS, CITUB
• 🇩🇪 Germany: FAU
• 🇬🇷 Greece: ESE
• 🇮🇹 Italy: USI
• 🇳🇱 🇧🇪 Netherlands & Belgium: Vriji Bond
• 🇪🇸 Spain: CNT
• 🇸🇪 Sweden: SAC
• 🇬🇧 United Kingdom: UVW

I only glanced the article but a question we need to answer first is what exactly is violence?

It seems straightforward but in multiple countries now i have read politicians making claims about violent mobs while in effect it was destruction of property.

Aggression isn’t violence so i am curious how many people say one thing while meaning the other.

define back on track

No, there's a growing number of brainwashed idiots that have been groomed to believe in powerful white men.

This is exactly how it's being orchestrated. Pit the people against each other so the politicians and wealthy can get away with literal murder.

We are being governed by the "Epstein Elite", literal pedophiles and sex traffickers and the idiots that kneel to them.

1775: Breaking News, there's a growing number of colonists who think violence is necessary...

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Well it's true. You can't be diplomatic with fascists. You can't "get on the same level" with billionaires.

They have no reason to listen or care, unless we give them a reason to listen or care.

This reflects a feeling of being backed into a corner. What else are we going to do when our political views and goals and ffs human beings are being criminalized? Every decent thing getting rolled back and every horrible thing dialed up to 11. Fuck republicans. One way or another they will regret this. Whether people vote them out or get violent with them remains to be seen but this will not last, obviously.

Gee, almost as if Russian propaganda is working.

Before the Civil War one politician opined that if a war started you'd be able to mop up all the blood spilled with one handkerchief.

Anyone who thinks a new fight will be any easier has probably never been in a real fight.

Trump certainly does, or at least it's what he claims.

Just because it will probably be, doesn't mean you have to initiate it first. Not only is there a lot of preparation that needs to go towards a revolution that isn't just arming and shooting, but it's also better if the other side is the one to initiate it first. First is getting rid of the delusion that the federal government hasn't been corrupted beyond repair, getting rid of the delusion that you can work inside a system that's now exponentially worse than it was 4 years ago and somehow fix it. Then you can look at your own history and where power can actually be consolidated, and begin preparing knowing you are working against compromised social networks with the next generation of Cambridge Analyticas so you can't rely on ignoring the elephant in the room.

Haha, it'll never happen.
Most are too complacent, comfortable, and mollycoddled to do anything. They'll just try to wait it out and hope that it'll change at the next election ...not realising that if there is a next election that it'll probably be rigged, to quote the orange child rapist himself "you'll never need to vote again, we've got it sorted".

The daft thing is you don't need to have a massive civil war to end this bullshit. You just need some backbone and to target the orange paedo from all directions and not let him have any time or space to do his evil shit. Then once he's out, or dead from the inevitable stress induced heart attack, go after his cronies. He's the biggest manbaby that's ever lived, use it against him.

"Those who make peaceful reform impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

doing infrequent protests hasnt helped one bit especially if not large numbers like other countries do it, if the enemy knows you arnt going for thier HEADS, they will just laugh and move on.

also people are unwilling to boycott/generally strike, because they sitll have thier creature comforts, plus all the propaganda against protesters in general, i think the staged eco-protests(the ones that defaced public things, were funded by the oil/gas industry) over the years was just testing the waters.

You can't vote your way out of fascism. Trump already launched an insurrection to hold on to power. He won't let it go now that he's better entrenched.

Violence is how we beat the Nazis the first time. If there's a cleaner option that's actually feasible, then yes please... but failing that, cutting the head off the snake is a pretty tried and true method. And if it grows back, cut that one off too - they'll get the message eventually.

PBS running these insipid polls lately is so fucking offensive.

Americans are already doing violence on Americans to execute their fascist vision of this country, en masse, within and without institutions. Violent change is here. The violence question is over. Public opinion is for TV.

This is just people waking up to reality. Trump has the White House, the senate, the House of Representatives, and the courts. He controls the military and has already begun deployment to "democratic" cities. His buddy in Texas is redistricting to help him consolidate power, and I am sure Abbot is not the only one. Every move Trump makes is designed to cripple opposition to his regime. Republican states are purging voter rolls and enacting bullshit laws designed to disenfranchise people of colour.

Milquetoast democrats have made only the most pathetic gestures of opposition to Trump. The first genuine thing Trump ever said was when he expressed surprise yesterday at how little resistance he has faced from the left. Republicans were right about one thing: the American left is a bunch of pussies.

If more Americans think political violence is the only way out of the mess Americans made, it's probably because they are starting to develop a vague but accurate understanding of what is happening in their country.

Depending on how the question was worded Im willing to bet a large portion of those means violence against the lunatic leftists.